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Just wondering: are these cuttings ones you started with the wrapping method you were trialing a while back?
I'm keen to give that method a go myself, so was wondering how you got on with it. I'm hoping it can be used for some difficult non-rose beasties too.
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#1 of 9 posted
1 APR 19 by
 HubertG
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They failed. These were simply planted in a sandy soil mix and weren't through the wrapping technique. I found that that wrapping manner seemed to attract mould on the newspaper and then the cuttings and apparently doesn't work well when the temperature is warm either (although I never tried last summer). Unfortunately, to date I haven't been able to strike both General Schablikine and Vestey's Pink at the same time to do a proper comparative experiment. I have another batch I took a couple of weeks ago and I'm using two different types of hormone media to experiment. I hope they take.
I still think these are different roses, though very similar. I looked up Botanica's reference to 'Vestey's Pink' and it states it's a spreading plant, which I find is accurate, whereas General Schablikine is more upright.
Give me caffeine, next time I try the newspaper wrapping technique when it gets a bit cooler, I'll soak the newspaper in a solution of weak potassium permanganate to see if that stops the mould.
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IIRC last time you dipped the cuttings in copper sulphate solution before wrapping them. Could try just using the copper sulphate solution to wet the newspaper. It's a pretty decent fungicide.
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#3 of 9 posted
1 APR 19 by
HubertG
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I did soak the newspaper in the copper sulphate solution in a second attempt but still got mouldy newspaper. Maybe the concentration was too weak.
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I've tried a teaspoon of household bleach in a bucket of water, soaking the cuttings for a minute, then rinsing off any bleachy solution. It worked on cuttings sent to humid Queensland, and also on cuttings at Northcliffe in summer in newspaper/plastic-wrapped packets calloused up for a four week period.
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Sounds good. I'm thinking of trying layering too. I have a couple of monsters that have thrown out long, low canes, so it seems like an obvious thing to try.
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WIHHA (what I have here as) General Schablikine is big in all directions. And it has long sepals.
See http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.271887 Many of my teas are well-clothed to the ground. Not sure if that reflects the vigorous disbudding I do in their first summer.
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#7 of 9 posted
2 APR 19 by
HubertG
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Margaret, no doubt your early disbudding keeps your teas bushy. It looks like a very good practice.
The thought had occurred to me that perhaps you received your bush of GS from someone who had a VPT that had been 'relabelled' as GS after the Tea Rose book came out. My GS is broad and high but sends up much more upright sturdy stems than my VPT. The photos here from mashamci from March 2012 of the GS in the San Jose Heritage Garden are very typical of the appearance of my GS. My VPT is a little more gracile in habit.
It might all boil down to culture, but I'll persist in trying to compare my two plants given identical treatment to cuttings.
I do see the occasional long sepal on my GS, but it's very regular on my VPT, and sometimes the sepals are very long and leafy. There's usually more white at the base of the petals of VPT as well.
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My original plant of General Schablikine came from Thomas for Roses, who weren't in the habit of updating rose names (they still list Marie Nabonnand as M. Tillier). I grew the current one from cuttings from it in 2008, so the one from Thomases pre-dated the Tea book.
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#9 of 9 posted
4 APR 19 by
HubertG
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Thanks Margaret, it's good to know that provenance.
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