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'Léon XIII' rose Reviews & Comments
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Initial post 16 APR 18 by HubertG
The breeder's description gives the parentage as 'Alba rosea x Sylphide'.
From page 76 of the 1891 Rosen-Zeitung.
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Reply #1 of 6 posted 19 APR 18 by Patricia Routley
That's different. Reference added.
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Reply #2 of 6 posted 19 APR 18 by HubertG
Here's the full description from the same source:

"Neuste Rosen für 1892 (Beschreibungen der Züchter)

Züchter: Soupert & Notting - Luxemburg ...

5. Léon XIII. Strauch kräftig, hellgrüne Belaubung; Blume gross, gefüllt, in Büscheln blühend, 5 bis 6 Blumen auf jedem Zweige, schalenförmig; Farbe glänzend porzellanweiss, sehr zart gelb nuanciert im Zentrum. Varietät extra. (Alba rosea x Sylphide.)"

My translation:

Newest roses for 1892 (descriptions of the breeders)

Breeder: Soupert & Notting - Luxembourg

5. Léon XIII. Bush vigourous, light green foliage; Flower large, double, blooming in clusters, 5 to 6 flowers on each shoot, shallowly cupped; Colour lustrous porcelain white, nuanced with very delicate yellow in the centre. Exceptional variety. (Alba rosea x Sylphide.)

[Of the other four roses from Soupert & Notting described, three also have their parentages given.]
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Reply #3 of 6 posted 19 APR 18 by Patricia Routley
Thank you HubertG
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Reply #4 of 6 posted 7 JUN by odinthor
It's hard to tell what's going on with the parentage. In 1892, the Journal of Roses, giving "the descriptions of them copying verbatim [*textuellement*] the prospectus addressed to us, leaving all responsibility to the breeders" (the implication being that the prospectus was from the breeder), gives the parentage as 'Anna Olivier' x 'Earl of Eldon'. (Journal of Roses, 1892, p. 138 (for the "textuellement" comment) and p. 139 (for the variety's description)). I note that, the same year, Tea 'Léonie Osterrieth', also from S&N, has parentage 'La Sylphide' x 'Alba Rosea'. Maybe it's worth noting that Soupert & Notting, in listing their own varieties, would have 'Léon XIII' and 'Léonie Osterrieth' adjacent; the eye could easily skip. In his 1893 catalog, Lambert repeats the Olivier/Eldon parentage, and doesn't change/correct it in 1894.
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Reply #5 of 6 posted 7 JUN by Lee H.
Just FYI, the same parentage is repeated in the 1894 Journal.
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Reply #6 of 6 posted 8 JUN by odinthor
Thanks--much appreciated!
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