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Alberic-looking rambler, found rose
Hello, I would like to create a rose file about a rambling rose I found in an abandoned orchard/vegetable garden. After taking cuttings and observing it, I am not totally sure it is Albéric, Gardenia, Fraulein Octavia Hesse, La Perle... I also found a similar Albéric type of rose on another location, with some differences visible on both original and cutting. Maybe it would be a good idea creating two files, but I don't have many pictures of the second rose. This would help me gathering information as well as other members' opinions.
Best regards, Thomas.
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Thomas, would you take a look at my photo in the Alberic Barbier file:
Rose photo courtesy of Patricia Routley
'Alberic Barbier' 005 right; with 'Excelsa' left. Own roots at Northcliffe, W.A. Feb 24, 2013. Provenance of 'Alberic Barbier', P.T., SA in 2007. Leaves.
Uploaded 26 OCT 13
I find the the foliage is most distinctive. The leaflets are long and flat with only the midrib showing any indentation. If your roses seem to have a different leaf, give us their proposed “study names” and we will open pages for them.
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#2 of 4 posted
17 JUN 23 by
 ThomasR
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Patricia, the leaves seem to match your description, plus glandular hairs on the rachis and hooked prickles under. I had read that you noticed it was almost thornless, as written in an early description. The rambler I am growing is prickly, not impressively but enough to be defensive, and I tend to be more careful about touching it than Double Scotch Rose as an example.
Here are the other points that I noticed and that make me uncertain about it :
-Rambler1 and Rambler2 showed consistently this difference on both original and cutting : Rambler1 quite is hard-petalled, especially in the center. It is exceptional to catch a glimpse of what could be a stamen. Center petals/petaloids are softer on Rambler2, and you can see some stamens.
-Original Rambler2 is showing a more weeping habit but it maybe due to it growing within a cypress hedge, as opposed to original Rambler1 in unpruned spindles and fig trees.
I will search through my files and add pictures as soon as I can.
Thank you !
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#3 of 4 posted
17 JUN 23 by
ThomasR
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Picture from the original Rambler1.
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#4 of 4 posted
17 JUN 23 by
ThomasR
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Rambler 1 clone from cutting (2 years old). The flowers are wonderfully crumpled, more than the Albéric Barbier pictures I see but maybe the difference is too subtle. There are other roses I am investigating, like François Poisson... It is not clear to me yet.
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