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3 NOV 18 by
Plazbo
On paper, from others experiences I should like this rose but I don't.
It requires a lot of direct sun to bloom and will instantly bleach to white (apart from the center) in those conditions. I don't smell anything from the plant. The plant gets spotting issues (not to the point of completely defoliating, but a lot of some sort of spotting all over the plant). It does bloom a lot, it is easy to get pollen from, it does set seed well....just almost everything bred from it has the same issues it does, it's often very easy to spot RnS offspring based on foliage alone.
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I'm wondering if there is some serious confusion between Ralph Moore's 'Rise 'n' Shine' and the later 'Meicupag' that was introduced by Meilland, which has 'Rise 'n' Shine' in its lineage. Both are marked here with the trade designations GOLDEN SUNBLAZE, and oddly 'Rise 'n' Shine' has the Meilland trade designation GOLDEN MEILLANDINA, but 'Meicupag' does not. I suspect that there is a problem, and that 'Rise 'n' Shine' is mistakenly listed with those two trademarks that rightfully belong with 'Meicupag'. You might just have 'Meicupag' (mild fragrance) and not 'Rise 'n' Shine' (moderate fragrance).
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22 JUN by
Plazbo
There may have been a mix up but based on location (I'm in Australia) probably not between those two. Meicupag doesn't seem like it came here. I'd be more inclined to one of moores other yellow mini's and someone just connected the dots (a moore mini + yellow) to the wrong conclusion sometime in the ~30 years it was here. It has mini mini foliage (like closer to the rouletti type small foliage just on a bigger plant with more typical mini bloom size, not the tiny ones of rouletti) than the wich based mini's (eg magic carousel)
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It seems Harkness stated that this rose was once blooming (see the 1985 reference indicating that the hybrids all "bloomed only in the summer,") which is precisely what you would expect from the stated parentage--there is no reason why it should be otherwise.
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14 JUN by
jedmar
Thank you, corrected!
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I got this as cuttings from a friend, along with 'Ayrshire Splendens' and 'Ayrshire Queen'. The latter two as found in commerce appear to be identical, as has come up in HMF discussion on these varieties, 'Ayrshire Splendens' having been substituted for 'Ayrshire Queen'. So far so good. But I also don't see any difference between my 'Venusta Pendula' and 'Ayrshire Splendens'. Are they two distinct varieties? I note particularly the dark growth, thorniness, flexible canes, pink-touched white buds, and strong myrrh fragrance. I would like to hear from anyone who can tell me of differences between these two varieties. Thanks!
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The rose I've received as 'Venusta Pendula' does have somewhat the same coloring to 'Splendens', but does not have any myrrh scent. That is probably a good way to separate them, although there may be other differentiating characteristics.
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This rose was growing in my neighbours' garden in shady woodland conditions with slender stems about 2 metres into a willow bush. It does not look very vigorous but considering the conditions aren't perfect it is doing well, it appeared as my neighbours have been slowly taming a jungle of neglected garden. I had half thought it was 'Venusta Pendula' but the flowers have a pronounced myrrh scent. Even today with heavy showers and 13C the flowers have at least a mid to strong myrrh fragrance.
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It's probably the Ayrshire 'Splendens', which looks and smells exactly like the rose you've photographed and described!
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