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I believe this breeder is the same person as Roger Pawsey and should be merged. Also he was an owner of Cants of Colchester, so perhaps should be linked to their page?
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13 JUN 21 by
 jedmar
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The listings are merged and the link made. Thank you for the heads up!
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From the Cants website:
From the oldest recorded Town of Colchester we bring you the oldest recorded Rose Growers in the UK.
Established in 1765 we have over 250 years of experience.
We are still a family firm run by direct descendants of the founder.
Our History
With a vast history for any family firm of over 250 years of experience and expertise we could write a book, but we give here just a sketch of our History and what we offer today…
Whilst the Cant family has been connected with horticultural/gardening since 1728, the official date given (proclaimed on old catalogues) for the Establishment of Benjamin R Cant & Sons is 1765.
The Company remains in the family, but the name of the Partners are Martin, Roger and Angela Pawsey. Being the children of Clifford and Diana (nee Cant) Pawsey. We all play our part in the everyday running of the business ably assisted by a small dedicated staff. All of us are happy to give expert advice and guidance in the selection of roses, preparation and aftercare.
Our father Clifford Pawsey left his job with British Oil & Cake Mills (Ipswich Branch) in 1929, spent a year farming with his family, and then joined Benjamin R Cant & Son in 1931. By then he was engaged to Diana the younger of two daughters of Cecil & Mildred Cant. Mildred Cant was at that time running the business. Clifford worked tirelessly for the firm into his eighties and would have loved to have as he used to say “died with his boots on” Unfortunately ill health caught up with him and he died in 1997, having dedicated his life to the industry he loved and receiving its highest accolade the Dean Hole Medal from the Royal National Rose Society.
Turning back the clock. In the early years the firm grew all sorts of plants, (bulbs and seeds) including Azaleas, Fuchsias, Rhododendrons, Peaches and Apricots, and the sweetest tomatoes in Colchester. In 1853 Ben Cant was introduced by his great friend Mr. Penrose to some new “standard’ roses developed in France. The popularity of the rose was in its ascendance so Ben decided to concentrate on Roses.
By 1880 Ben had emerged as the Country’s leading rose exhibitor, and in one month is reported to have won 54 first prizes at major rose events all over the Country.
Ben bestowed his knowledge to his nephew, Frank, on the understanding he would not set up in competition in the neighbourhood. This “promise” was broken with Frank setting up originally within a couple of hundred yards.
A fierce rivalry ensued between the two firms of Benjamin R Cant & Sons of Mile End Colchester and Frank Cant & Co. of Stanway Colchester which lasted till 1967 when the two firms merged. This was to signify the retirement of Mona Cant (the only Cant remaining in the Frank Cant side of the business) and the firm became Cants of Colchester Ltd. The mantle from the Frank Cant side was retained by Mr. Clive Roberts (with no “family connection”) who had joined Frank Cant after the war. Mr. Roberts took an active part in the running of the merged Company, but retired from the business since 1985 and has since died.
Both Frank and Ben Cant bred many well known roses. Several named after the famous in their day including Mrs. Oakley Fisher, still well known throughout the world, Mrs. Frank Cant, Mrs. B.R. Cant (still widely grown in USA to this day). Cants of Colchester continued to raise some world beaters, including “Alpine Sunset”, “English Miss” and “Goldstar”, Other roses that we bred and still stock today are “Jenny’s Rose”, “Sally’s Rose” “St. Helena” (for our local Hospice) and the repeat flowering climber “Crimson Descant” The highest accolade is paid to the “The World’s Favourite Rose” which was achieved by “Just Joey” in 1994 and still remains the most popular rose we sell today. . “Just Joey” is named after Roger’s wife Joey.
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I am thinking of putting a large pergola across my patio to grow a climbing rose on. But I only have space (between my other roses) to plant one rose on one side, so to go up the post and across the rafters, it will need a height of 4.5-6m (15-20ft).
Most roses that tall are once bloomers, but I would prefer a repeater. Ideally with nodding flowers or drooping clusters, as they will be viewed from below. I lean towards pinks and apricots.
Also I want to keep this rose trained tightly to the rafters, so that we will still get sun coming through between them (like the rose pergola at Kew Gardens). So not too bushy and easy to control with pruning.
The following are some possibilities my research has turned up. Would you recommend one of these over the others? Or something else entirely?
Desprez à Fleurs Jaunes - Fits the bill, but is it lax enough for this kind of training?
Cecile Brunner Climbing - Also looks good, but I am worried it will get too big and bushy.
Francois Juranville - Once bloomer, but I have read it is over a long period. How many weeks?
New Dawn - On the smaller side, but I understand very vigorous so could reach the size required?
Thanks very much for your help.
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I can't advise for your climate, but the first question I would ask myself: does it matter how prickly it is?
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Thanks. Most roses grow well here in SE England, and I can cope with thorns.
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David Austen introduced some repeat blooming ramblers. I think maybe 'Lady of Shallot' is one of the more recent.
If you are considering Noisettes,, you might also like to look at climbing teas, such as 'Lady Waterlow' and 'Noella Nabonnand'. I don't know how tall those those grow, but teas generally grow and grow without stopping where conditions are favorable. I think some of the new gigantea hybrids from India repeat bloom, and those get huge. There is also 'Reve d'Or', another and better Noisette.
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Thank you. I'll add Lady Waterlow to my list (height is listed as 3.6m by Trevor White and Peter Beales, but 5.5m by David Austin, so he obviously agreed with you that it would keep growing). Noella Nabonnand doesn't seem to be available in the UK, and Reve d'Or is a bit too yellow for me. My roses are all modern, so I have no experience with these older varieties. When I read lax, vigorous growth it sounds ideal for the way I want to train it though. In looking these up, I saw that Desprez à Fleurs Jaunes is a Tea-Noisette, so that is also looking like an increasingly good option (height described as 6m by all).
David Austin's tallest rambler is Malvern Hills with a max of 4.5m, so seems a less good option.
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The generously repeat-blooming climbers Mme Alfred Carriere and Climbing Lady Hillingdon may be worth considering.
We saw many healthy and happy-looking plants when visiting the south of England and concluded they must be quite cold-hardy.
Reve d'Or is a beautiful and healthy rose with extremely attractive foliage and blooms. I am not certain how large you could expect it to grow in your area, but others may be able to advise.
The larger Noisettes are unsurpassed for this sort of work in warmer climates and some may be happy with you. They have everything going for them - the complete package: beautiful, fragrant blooms, healthy foliage that is evergreen in warmer areas, excellent disease resistance and pliable canes. They are very biddable and versatile in their habit and, once established, generously recurrent. Lamarque is outstanding and outstandingly lovely in warm-enough gardens. The healthy foliage makes a perfect foil for the blooms.
A rose once sold as "[Beales'] Monsieur Tillier", which has since been identified as a Nabonnand rose first introduced as 'Philippe Petain' and later renamed 'Marie Nabonnand', is a Noisette type with beautifully fragrant, deep red blooms and many thornless stems. It is a wonderful rose if your situation is warm enough (and if it is still available).
The rose gardeners at Mottisfont would be able to advise whether some of these would be in their comfort zone with you - life is always easier for rose and gardener when the roses we choose thrive in our conditions.
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Thank you. I had ruled out Mme Alfred Carriere because David Austin describes it as stiff and bushy and recommends it more for walls than pergolas, but plenty of others call it lax and pliable. It is certainly considered very reliable in England, though height estimates vary between 3.6 and 7.5m!
I think it is too cold here for many Noisettes. Some are not sold in the UK, others like Larmarque are suggested for warm walls or sheltered positions. A pergola is probably quite a bit more exposed than a wall. The only one that all UK growers describe as very tall is Desprez à Fleurs Jaunes with all agreeing 6m height-- I wonder why it isn't more popular though? I'm not sure how much of a gamble it is to try one of the ones with more variable height descriptions.
I'd love to visit Mottisfont, but it is a bit far for me, and I can't see any way to email their gardeners. I did contact the local growers I usually buy from (Cants and Trevor White), but I didn't get much help from them beyond what is on their websites. So here I am turning to the HMF experts!
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This rose was recommended to me for its fantastic fragrance, and indeed several visitors to my garden have said it has the best scent of all my roses, however I only barely smell it at all! I think it must vary a lot for different people, so sniff before you buy.
Very healthy light green foliage. A bit slower to repeat than some of my other roses, but each flower lasts at least 2 weeks so puts on a good show. Seemed stiff and upright like a bush for the first few years, but is now getting taller. Thick stems, so perhaps not the easiest to train, but they are not brittle, so can bend a bit. Flowers start more yellow then turn more apricot.
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