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'Mister Lincoln' rose Reviews & Comments
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Hi all,
I purchased and planted a OWN-ROOT Mister Lincoln in 2010.
Disease wise it did well until 2013 season when it developed severe Blackspot disease.
This Mister Lincoln was a slow grower and very slow bloomer...
Acted like it did not like cooler weather also.
This ML stayed compact at 2ft-3.5ft tall and 17" - 20" wide
Bloom sized ranged from 3" - 4"....
Since I'm no spray and ML is out front of the house I'll be removing it at the end of the
2013 growing season.
LOCATION: (CENTRAL PA)
PS/ Great scent though....
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1 JUN 13 by
Kit
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I find that in my garden 'Mister Lincoln' produces it's first flush singly, but the second in clusters (it has a half-dozen secondary and tertiary canes producing clusters right now - never seen it throw up a cluster from a basal break) before reverting to (usually) single blossoms.
Not the worst mildew or rust magnet by far, but it does get both, and seems to be especially subject to mildew on its thorns. Rust is generally limited to senile leaves, so a quarterly picking of any aging leaves seems to take care of that - the leaves are evergreen here, and are extremely slow to drop off, same story with Oklahoma.
It's a little taller and a lot thinner than Oklahoma, more fragrant and with much more slender buds and slightly smaller flowers.
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9 MAY 13 by
Unregistered Guest
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Available from - Antique Rose Emporium
https://www.antiqueroseemporium.com/
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5 APR 13 by
 goncmg
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If this isn't the absolute MOST "favorite" rose on HMF then with 132 votes, it is really close..........and it should be! From all the resources I have read through I have gleaned that there was a big push to re-create Queen Elizabeth in "real red" right after QE created a new class (Grandiflora) in 1955. Well, 60 years later and through some laughable also-rans (and some not so laughable), that "goal" was never truly reached. BUT Mr. Lincoln comes close and may even be better than that ideal because what it IS? It is a bolt-upight, aggressively vigorous grower that even in a cold climate will easily reach 6-7 feet in a season if knocked back to soil line and in a warm climate most absolutely could be used as a pillar. Quite disease resistant. DOESN'T bloom in clusters at all (or very rarely), instead has huge, headily damask fragranced blooms..................it straddles the line when it comes to reading "modern" as in it is still a blue/purple toned red and although it holds the "red" FAR better than Mirandy or Chrysler Imperial, the red will, eventually, turn blue or purple although, and notably, this one has strong stems which support the big blooms, very unlike Mirandy or Chrysler or Noctourne or New Yorker or Crimson Glory or Bingo or Ena Harkness or Karl Herbst........ A few years after this one's release RED was at least in tone "perfected" and the blue/purple taken out of the red and with it came a loss of that amazing FRAGRANCE. Most reds released in the 70's-90's, be they deeper or more cherry, they stay RED but there is no fragrance................so you gain/you lose, we must pick/choose. FIREFIGHTER is a newer release, medium and true red, and insanely fragrant as well..............but the plant is nowhere NEAR as strong as Mr. Lincoln. No other red truly is as strong be they newer or older................this is one I would recommend with no hesitiation to a new grower.........anyone beyond that will absolutely appreciate it but it will not read "modern"...............as popular as this one has been for 50 years it is interesting that it hasn't been a parent of very many........yet 50 years later? Still argulably what defines most people's "ideal" as a "perfect red rose".............
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#1 of 15 posted
5 APR 13 by
Jay-Jay
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Thank You for this ode to Mr. Lincoln!
I thought, that I had two plants of this rose in my garden, but they don't match Your description and I allready had heard, that in the Netherlands other red roses are sold as.... With no damask fragrance at all, like mine.
Your description strengthened/encouraged me in my quest to find the real Mr. Lincoln, for I am (as I described myself in my member page) a nose-man.
And a nice dark-red flower that also can be used for a cut-rose is a bonus.
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#2 of 15 posted
5 APR 13 by
goncmg
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Hi Jay-Jay! Yes, the real Mr. Lincoln sounds like it will perfectly fit your needs. A newer release, Sugar Moon is to me one of the most powerfully scented HT's ever created---it is white, it grows tall, it may interest you...........
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#3 of 15 posted
5 APR 13 by
Jay-Jay
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Sugar Moon indeed sounds interesting and wth a Ø of 12,5 cm... not bad at all!
But alas, it's only available in the States (until now).
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#8 of 15 posted
6 APR 13 by
goncmg
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Jay-Jay, just checked your garden and so glad and not surprised to see you are growing Friesia/Sunsprite..........I have a 12 plant bed of this in the front yard (the only rose I grow NOT in a pot) and the scent carries in the air as I think you know.............seems like you are open to many types and one I think you MUST find as you love scent is Madame Isaac Perriere, a bourbon from 1880............it is a semi-climber, gangly and awkward and will find a way to get blackspot or mildew but unlike most roses, whatever disease it gets doesn't hold it back, it just pushes through and keeps blooming............the scent is intense! The type of smell that locks your jaw, harsh old rose/damask and lemon, literally mouth watering...................I don't see that you have Duftwolke/Fragrant Cloud? That would make you happy as well although it seems to be tough to find a good plant of this one (the variety itself is good, it seems like the plants sold now are just so weak, if you can get one to really thrive it is a winner). If you could find Jadis or Lemon Spice in Netherlands or a grower that would ship these to you (Rogue Valley Roses or Heirloom I think ships to Europe) THOSE would really please you as well...............
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#9 of 15 posted
6 APR 13 by
Jay-Jay
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I allready answered, but somehow the reply disappeared.
Friesia is varying the submission of her fragrance due to weather conditions and the time of the day.
I enjoy her fragrance, when she shares it.
Madame Isaac Pereire with her raspberry, damask, citrus fragrance was budgrafted, after Aurelija and her family from Villebranch Bramble visited us last year on a hot and sunny day and she brought flowers of this rose with her, packed in tupperware with some water. I only hope the buds survived, for I cut off the rootstock above the bud-union, when they sprouted. Then came the bare frosts with chilling winds.
Duftwolke is no option for me, for in the Rosarium of Winschoten they pruneshoveled this rose, when after a few seasons only a few plants of the whole bed were struggling for life. They were disease-magnets.
Importing roses from the USA can be a tricky bussiness as there might be hundreds of dollars involved per shipment, to obtain the required paperwork or just to get them past the customs departments.
In our garden we grow a lot of fragrant roses like:
Prince Jardinier, Winschoten, Étoile de Hollande Cl., Papa Meilland, Erotika, Bolshoï, Duftzauber, Kupferkönigin, Sutter's Gold (and Cl.), Compassion, Nostalgie, Double Delight, Souvenir du Docteur Jamain, Rose de Rescht, Erinnerung an Brod, Sharifa Asma, Golden Celebration, Zéphirine Drouhin and many others. So there is often a whiff or a chance to sniff.
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if you have Papa Meilland you probably don't need Mr Lincoln as well, except for comparison. They're a fascinating trio, same parentage and very similar age - Papa Meilland, Mr Lincoln, Oklahoma. And apparently they carry a recessive lethal blue gene, as several people who have crossed one with another have produced a seedling which had a blue flower and promptly died. I have forgotten the explanation but it's something to do with a deficiency - will someone remind me?
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#11 of 15 posted
6 APR 13 by
Jay-Jay
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That is really fascinating Margareth!
I will compare the roses, except for Oklahoma.
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#13 of 15 posted
6 APR 13 by
goncmg
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Margaret I knew they were all "siblings" but id NOT know about the recessive blue gene when mixed together.....I SOOO will be trying this! Great info.
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I had Mr. Lincoln in CA. I am still debating whether to try to grow it in Utica, NY, allegedly zone 5a.
In the spring of extra rain in CA, my Mr. Lincoln produced flowers the size of dinner plates!, without succumbing to the mildew which was rampaging through most of my other roses.
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#5 of 15 posted
5 APR 13 by
Jay-Jay
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I allready would be pleased with the size of breakfast plates. And I already thought that Parole has big flowers.
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The dinner plates were produced by a happy, and rare, combination of warm spring temperatures and plentiful rain.
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#7 of 15 posted
6 APR 13 by
goncmg
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Nastarana, I would say GO for it..........Columbus is only a little warmer than Utica and it does just fine here, still gets really, really tall and the blooms are quite big as measured against the "average" rose..........
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gondmg, Do you know if Mr. Lincoln in commerce now is infected with RMV? I doubt it will survive our winters if it is infected.
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#15 of 15 posted
17 APR 13 by
goncmg
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Nastarana, just got this? I have no info on that sad to say. I know Mr. Lincoln is at my local garden center in nicer #1's and also bagged and waxed (assuming it is the right variety) at many discount stores. And also through Edmunds which ships through 5/31. If you love it, grab one! That is my mantra! For every plant that doesn't survive the winters up here although it should have, one that shouldn't survive, does...........what they do under the soil is only their business but I swear there is more to "it" than any human truly understands............spring is here in Columbus, finally. Hopefully it is in your area of NY as well! If not, soon!!! :-)
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#14 of 15 posted
16 APR 13 by
Kebun
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Mr Lincoln.. the most reliable and consistently blooming rose in my garden and I will never be without it. The 20+ year-old 4ft standard near my garage never lets me down with its slow yet consistent blooming habit and always seems to be disease-free, no matter how adverse the weather conditions in Melbourne, Australia. Very strong, long flower stems along with perfect huge bloom shape and potent Damask fragrance always made ideal cut flowers for my ex-wife on Valentine's Day
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