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'Dr. Huey' rose Reviews & Comments
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15 DEC 19 by
Dewberry
Is it possible to breed from Dr. Huey?
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#1 of 8 posted
15 DEC 19 by
Patricia Routley
Not as a rule. ‘Dr. Huey’ is a triploid which means it has 21 chromosomes. From the HelpMeFind GLOSSARY / HYBIDISING ROSES: The genes of a rose, which make it what it is, are strung along its chromosomes, which occur in the plant cells of the rose in multiples of seven. Whether a rose is compatible -- i.e., capable of being crossed with another to produce useful seed -- depends on its having a number of chromosomes to match those of its partner without odd ones being left over.
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#2 of 8 posted
15 DEC 19 by
Dewberry
Thank you very much!
How would one know when there was an exception to the rule?
Could a triploid breed with a triploid?
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#3 of 8 posted
15 DEC 19 by
Patricia Routley
I am sorry, I don’t know.
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#4 of 8 posted
16 DEC 19 by
Kim Rupert
If you believe the original rose literature, then you shouldn't be able to breed with Dr. Huey. However, being triploid does not mean "sterile". There are a number of fertile triploids which have provided some really interesting results. I have raised hybrids from R. Minutifolia, R. Stellata mirifica, R. Hugonis using triploid minis. If you are interested in attempting breeding with Dr. Huey, try it. Huey does set self set seeds and they do germinate. I have raised self set seedlings out of curiosity. I've not retained any as they weren't things I sought. Give it a try. You might be surprised!
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#5 of 8 posted
16 DEC 19 by
Robert Neil Rippetoe
The short answer is, YES,,,
Roses break genetic rules quite often.
Triploids are often fertile, but not always, more easily as pollen parent. Ploidy is quite an interesting topic.
For most answers regarding this and other rose breeding queries visit RHA Forum and take advantage of their database.
Best wishes, Robert
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#6 of 8 posted
18 DEC 19 by
Plazbo
Its possible. It just might be a bit more difficult/unreliable. Some triploids are very fertile like Blue For You but others are often more stubborn and may be better used for pollen (given the millions+ pollen produced, theres a higher chance some of those will be fertile).
The other aspect is climate, Iceberg is a triploid that produces fertile seed in some climates but none in others. But the climate aspect is likely to vary from one rose to another.
If it werent for fertility in triploids we wouldnt have modern roses which stem (many generations back) from crosses between european tetraploids and asian diploid roses.
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#7 of 8 posted
29 FEB 20 by
HubertG
I just found two random hips on my 'Dr. Huey'.
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#8 of 8 posted
29 FEB 20 by
Kim Rupert
Yes, Huey sometimes sets hips and sometimes they have seeds in them. Sometimes, they even germinate. Imagine being able to create something like Mick Hurley. https://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.59533.0&tab=1 Of course, I am being facetious.
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1 DEC 19 by
Dewberry
If Dr. Huey were everblooming I’d want to plant it everywhere. I love this rose. I bet a lot of people have a sentimental attachment to this rose because of nostalgia for their childhood. It’s beautiful, and I have more memories of old houses and landscapes half wild than of well-trimmed gardens. Dr. Huey is free simplicity and innocence to me.
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#1 of 1 posted
6 DEC 19 by
Palustris
You would love New England in the Spring when the once blooming roses are at their best. In old neighborhoods almost every yard has a 'Dr. Huey' blooming profusely where the original rose scion died leaving the rootstock to happily thrive with abandon.
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29 JUL 16 by
Give me caffeine
Saw something funny at the local market the other day. Someone was selling an un-named "local heritage rose". Climber. Small red flowers, once a year.
I didn't bother to tell them it was just one of the most common rootstocks globally, and had obviously survived when the scion had died. Probably should have.
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29 JUL 16 by
Patricia Routley
Yes you should have. But kindly. Everybody has to start somewhere in learning about old roses. The first one I ever found was R. indica major and I thought it so beautiful I wrote to the Heritage Rose Journal about it.
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#2 of 2 posted
30 JUL 16 by
Give me caffeine
Fair point. I'll tell them (nicely) next time I see them.
And to be fair, indica major is quite beautiful, as is Huey.
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3 DEC 14 by
Sambolingo
'Dr. Huey' is a nice rose. I did not dead-head it after its flush to see if hips formed. One solitary, small hip formed out of the dozens of flowers on the plant. When I eagerly opened up this hip recently, I found only one seed inside it. Despite this, I will try to germinate it, although that is exceedingly unlikely. Has anyone else had any experience with 'Dr. Huey' seeds?
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