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'Francis Dubreuil' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 90-008
most recent 30 DEC 15 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 30 DEC 15 by Patricia Routley
I have just added the 1926 reference. I think it is saying that 'Francis Dubreuil' did not set seed?
There are only two seed parent descendants: 'Belle Panachee' 1894, seedling of; and 'Lucie Bayer' 1913.
So perhaps it set seed rarely.
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Discussion id : 89-862
most recent 21 DEC 15 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 21 DEC 15 by true-blue
Francis Dubreuil made it in the finalized list of the 300 best roses for cultivation: Les amis des Roses - July - August - 1935. Pages 64-69

If you make the count, the 300 best roses are actually 308!

Approximate translation:

Intro:

A reminder that our Association had decided in 1933, at the Orleans convention, to create a list of the 300 best roses for cultivation.

In 1934, the list was submitted to the Lyon convention.
This year, we reproduce, said list taking into account certain objections.

The proposal received the full approval of the National Horticultural Society, in the person of its Secretary General, H. NOMBLOT, our Vice President.
In 1934, the list was presented to the Lyon Congress.

Our association is well aware, our choice can lead to criticism, especially as countless causes of success or failure are involved (land, climate, exposure, etc ..) This work was done with the utmost care and disinterest. Our friends, who collaborated on this list were based primarily on practical contingencies and wanted above all guide enthusiasts in their choice.

Conclusion:

Our association hopes to be in contact with all members. It is with great pleasure, that we receive all opinions and observations. Thus we thank Messers. FAURAX & NOCTON for having recommended interesting varieties.

As we mentioned at the beginning of this article that our association does not consider this list final, especially as new hybrids would increase the number of best roses. During future conventions this list will be rectified accordingly.
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Reply #1 of 3 posted 21 DEC 15 by Kim Rupert
Thank you, Bob! I appreciate your efforts and the amount of time and energy involved! Happy Holidays!
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Reply #2 of 3 posted 21 DEC 15 by true-blue
Most welcome, Kim. Was just wrapping up all the Francis Dubreuil stuff I posted on the forum!
Happy Holidays to you & your loved ones too :-)
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Reply #3 of 3 posted 21 DEC 15 by Kim Rupert
Thanks, sir!
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Discussion id : 89-863
most recent 21 DEC 15 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 21 DEC 15 by true-blue
Here is the last pre-World War II mention of Francis Dubreuil I have found:

Approximate translation:

Les Amis des rose - Mars - Avril 1935
Tea roses at the French Riviera (Côte d'Azur) and cold climates...
Page 24-5
By Paul NABONNAND.
The tea class, are from selected seedlings of the species Rosa indica fragrance, synonym: Indica odoratissima, tea scented rose, hence the name of this class.
The species reaches a height of 0.60m (1.97'), the stems are armed with medium prickles, straight and scattered; 3 to 5 leaflets, oval, finely serrated, sharp and smooth, slightly shaded underneath, carried on a stalk topped with small curved prickles.
Flowers are rather big, with a diameter of 0.05 m (5 cm/2"), with a color, transparent clear, held by slightly hispid peduncles.

Corolla consists of several rows of petals, irregularly serrated at the top, globular ovaries, calyx lobes almost always full, smooth and hairless.

This species was introduced from India to England around 1800. It has, by selected seedlings and later by hybridization, produced numerous varieties, mostly, much more vigorous and robust than the species, of which some are climbing and in all shades.

Contrary to what rosarians who haven't grown them, might think many varieties are as resistant to frost as Hybrid teas, Pernetianas, etc. in climates resembling that of Paris and Lyon. I have experienced it first hand and I saw them resisting, without any protection, nor straw/mulch temperatures of -14°C/ 6.8 °F (Roughly zone 7b).

I am thus sure by planting them deeply, mulching and mounding them in winter, one can grow them with success in most of Europe, i.e. if gardeners avoid shearing them down. The tea is a class, where bushes can become large easily: 2.50 m/8.2' in height & width.

I have below varieties which are most robust and floriferous, giving in Côte d'Azur, 2 successive flushes, from April to end of June and from September to Mid January.
Varieties marked with an asterisk are the most hardy and resistant to frost.

Francis Dubreuil - Crimson red
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Discussion id : 89-861
most recent 21 DEC 15 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 21 DEC 15 by true-blue
Francis Dubreuil was selected in the first draft of the 300 best rose in the Les Amis des Roses - July- August 1934 edition, Pages 97-101.

Here is an approximate translation of the beginning of the article:

23rd congress of the French association of roasarians
Les Amis des Roses
Lyon July 2nd 1934

The selection of 300 varieties of roses in all classes

Our association has addressed this very important question of rose cultivation in France.
Last year, in the Orléans convention, it was decided to choose 300 rose varieties from the most beautiful & the most remarkable, in order to facilitate the hobbyist's choice, whom are often overwhelmed by the numerous varieties described in catalogues. This nomenclature was also crucial for professionals who have the greatest interest in cultivating preferably roses that could be requested by their customers.

In the course of the year, we have received the research of many hobbyist. We thank them all. Except oversight on our part, we quote:
Messrs A. LEBLANC, de Dieulefit (Drôme) ; MURAOUR, of Paris ; DR. MOREL, of La Pouèze (Maine-et-Loire) ; OLDANO, of Paris, who have provided many important elements.
ON several occasions a special commission took place at the French association of Rosarians and they have listed the 300 most beautiful varieties of roses to recommend to hobbyists. OUr readers can list the full list.
Our convention didn't want to finalize the list, This work is too important and delicate to be finalized in one year.
So, we ask all our readers to send us their observations. All submissions will help to establish in a definitive manner the 300 best varieties for our next convention at Grenoble.
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