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"Belle Amour" rose Reviews & Comments
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I wonder if anyone has ever compared this 20th Century foundling with an older reference to a rose called 'Belle Aurore'.
http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/pl.php?n=76421
:-)
~Christopher
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A comparison of the picture by Patricia Routley of the buds and blossom of 'Belle Amour' with the picture by AmiRoses of 'Belle Aurore' clearly shows that they are not the same rose.
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25 MAY 17 by
AquaEyes
I'm curious as to your choice of the word "clearly" in your comment. Please keep in mind that Patricia Routley is in Australia, where the sun is stronger and will affect color in petals and foliage. I, personally, have seen the same Alba grown both in dappled light and full-sun, and the one in full-sun would have blooms which faded faster and foliage that seemed lighter green. If you look through other pictures in the 'Belle Amour' file, I think you'll find some features in common with the Redoute portrait of 'Belle Aurore'. Also please read both references -- more similarities.They may not be the same rose, but I think saying "clearly different" is a bit of a stretch.
'Belle Aurore' was described as having "sunset colors", and the "salmon" of 'Belle Amour' is about as close to "sunset colors" that existed in roses of that type way back when. Do we know how the name 'Belle Amour' was obtained? Is it possible that it could have been a corruption of 'Belle Aurore'? It just seems -- to me -- an interesting coincidence that two roses with similar names, both being described as something between an Alba and a Damask, both having yellow-tinted pink blooms, could be out there, and that a connection was not yet made.
:-)
~Christopher
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It has very short and smooth sepals for a damask or alba rose.
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Christopher, do you have GST's 'Cuttings from My Garden Notebook'? Pages 143-148 has a little to say about Nancy Lindsay and her roses. She felt at perfect liberty to name found roses which she could not identify, though all but a few were later identified by others as already known and named cultivars.
Nastarana, I feel sure, was referring to the photos of the BUDS. The photo of my 'Belle Amour' bud is almost smooth. AmiRoses photo of 'Belle Aurore' bud is very foliated and quite prickly.
No time to do more on this subject right now.
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Next question: does Belle Aurore have a myrrh scent?
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Thank you. It was the sepals to which I meant to draw attention.
Also, the two names may sound similar in English but I think they have quite different meanings in French. 'Belle Amour' would be something like Beautiful Love in English--rather awkward--while I think 'Belle Aurore' might become Beautiful Dawn or maybe Beautiful Morning--Aurora, Goddess of the dawn. Lots of 19thC rose names come from Greek mythology.
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Also there's an English poem 'Herve Riel' written by Browning in 1891, where a Breton pilot helped bring about the downfall of an invading English fleet in 1692, and was offered whatever he chose as a reward. He asked to leave the army and go back to his wife, la Belle Aurore. There's a statue to him, according to Wikipedia. Not sure why I remembered the name, since I don't rate it highly as a poem.
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Available from - Rogue Valley Roses https://www.roguevalleyroses.com/rose/belle-amour
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I would change the fragrance description to "medium-strong myrrh".
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Thank you Jukka K. We've done just that. I am becoming more and more fascinated with this rose and one of these days I'll sit down and read more about it.
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29 DEC 12 by
Plater
I had one branch of 'Belle Amour' repeating this fall (2012, pic uploaded for the rose). Anyone else experiencing this?
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