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"Belle Amour" rose Reviews & Comments
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1 AUG 17 by
Sambolingo
Available from - Old Market Farm www.oldmarketfarm.com
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26 MAY 17 by
Patricia Routley
This para from a letter to a friend may be pertinent to my previous comment in "Belle Amour": ....I have a rather nice new vase with some rather nice writing engraved on it. .....thanks to Susan Ronk who carried this heavy vase from Sydney and delivered it to Northcliffe today (November 18, 2016) Susan, Judy Goldfinch and I then spent a few hours among the roses in full bloom. We each took blooms of "Belle Amour" and 'Constance Spry' in each hand and started sniffing for myrrh [see Last journal, page. 58]. "Belle Amour" smelt wonderful for us all. But I couldn't get any perfume at all from 'Constance Spry'; Susan's reaction was "It is different"; and Judy's was "I really don't know what I am doing". So we just filled the vase right up with beautiful blooms and it was a very happy day.
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8 AUG 16 by
AquaEyes
I wonder if anyone has ever compared this 20th Century foundling with an older reference to a rose called 'Belle Aurore'.
http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/pl.php?n=76421
:-)
~Christopher
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#1 of 7 posted
24 MAY 17 by
Nastarana
A comparison of the picture by Patricia Routley of the buds and blossom of 'Belle Amour' with the picture by AmiRoses of 'Belle Aurore' clearly shows that they are not the same rose.
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#2 of 7 posted
25 MAY 17 by
AquaEyes
I'm curious as to your choice of the word "clearly" in your comment. Please keep in mind that Patricia Routley is in Australia, where the sun is stronger and will affect color in petals and foliage. I, personally, have seen the same Alba grown both in dappled light and full-sun, and the one in full-sun would have blooms which faded faster and foliage that seemed lighter green. If you look through other pictures in the 'Belle Amour' file, I think you'll find some features in common with the Redoute portrait of 'Belle Aurore'. Also please read both references -- more similarities.They may not be the same rose, but I think saying "clearly different" is a bit of a stretch.
'Belle Aurore' was described as having "sunset colors", and the "salmon" of 'Belle Amour' is about as close to "sunset colors" that existed in roses of that type way back when. Do we know how the name 'Belle Amour' was obtained? Is it possible that it could have been a corruption of 'Belle Aurore'? It just seems -- to me -- an interesting coincidence that two roses with similar names, both being described as something between an Alba and a Damask, both having yellow-tinted pink blooms, could be out there, and that a connection was not yet made.
:-)
~Christopher
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#3 of 7 posted
25 MAY 17 by
Andrew from Dolton
It has very short and smooth sepals for a damask or alba rose.
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#4 of 7 posted
25 MAY 17 by
Patricia Routley
Christopher, do you have GST's 'Cuttings from My Garden Notebook'? Pages 143-148 has a little to say about Nancy Lindsay and her roses. She felt at perfect liberty to name found roses which she could not identify, though all but a few were later identified by others as already known and named cultivars.
Nastarana, I feel sure, was referring to the photos of the BUDS. The photo of my 'Belle Amour' bud is almost smooth. AmiRoses photo of 'Belle Aurore' bud is very foliated and quite prickly.
No time to do more on this subject right now.
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#5 of 7 posted
25 MAY 17 by
Margaret Furness
Next question: does Belle Aurore have a myrrh scent?
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#6 of 7 posted
26 MAY 17 by
Nastarana
Thank you. It was the sepals to which I meant to draw attention.
Also, the two names may sound similar in English but I think they have quite different meanings in French. 'Belle Amour' would be something like Beautiful Love in English--rather awkward--while I think 'Belle Aurore' might become Beautiful Dawn or maybe Beautiful Morning--Aurora, Goddess of the dawn. Lots of 19thC rose names come from Greek mythology.
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#7 of 7 posted
26 MAY 17 by
Margaret Furness
Also there's an English poem 'Herve Riel' written by Browning in 1891, where a Breton pilot helped bring about the downfall of an invading English fleet in 1692, and was offered whatever he chose as a reward. He asked to leave the army and go back to his wife, la Belle Aurore. There's a statue to him, according to Wikipedia. Not sure why I remembered the name, since I don't rate it highly as a poem.
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23 MAR 17 by
AquaEyes
Available from - Rogue Valley Roses https://www.roguevalleyroses.com/rose/belle-amour
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