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From which book did You scan this picture?
And is this Irene Watts (= pink Gruss an Aachen) or Irène Watts (China Bengale)?
I ask this, for I cannot read the text.
I'm puzzling / making an attempt with the help of others, to unravel the mystery about the two different roses.
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#1 of 4 posted
27 JAN 13 by
 AmiRoses
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Hi Jay-Jay, that's Irène Watts (Bengale) by Guillot from Journal des Roses 1899.
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#2 of 4 posted
27 JAN 13 by
Jay-Jay
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Thank You Rosefriend for Your information, for some references speak of an (almost) thornless rose, some references say, that it might have some prickles, but they ought to be straight... and this picture/drawing shows a lot of curved/hooked spines/prickles.
So the mystery, this rose Irène Watts is embedded in, deepens.
Do You grow or know this rose Yourselves?
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As the 1899 photo shows, the original china ‘Irène Watts’ had prickles.
The rose that entered commerce via Peter Beales under the name of ‘Irene Watts’ and which he now admits is the floribunda ‘Pink Gruss an Aachen’ is thornless (or almost).
Keith Money, 1985 was the earliest reference to talk of smooth stems. Mr. Money was a friend of Peter Beales and would have got his floribunda ‘Irene Watts’ from Peter. At that time both men were under the impression that they had the china ‘Irène Watts’
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#4 of 4 posted
27 JAN 13 by
Jay-Jay
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Thank You Patricia.
I think this seems to be cleared now.
And now starts the search which rose Il Giardino dei Pigri has. (and I have got from him)
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