'Adobe Sunrise™' rose reviews and comments

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'Adobe Sunrise™' rose Reviews & Comments

Discussion id : 103-740 most recent 11 DEC 17 HIDE POSTS

Initial post 30 JUL 17 by Hani

Is this rose fragrant?	REPLY

Reply #1 of 12 posted 30 JUL 17 by HMF supporting member

Nastarana

I don't know about fragrant but it has a good, clear, non-muddy color. I might have to try one next year if the company in OK still offers it.	REPLY

Reply #2 of 12 posted 30 JUL 17 by HMF supporting member

Patricia Routley

I don't think it can be. I had a look at two nursery listings for it and they mentioned other attributes, but nothing about fragrance.	REPLY

Reply #3 of 12 posted 3 AUG 17 by Hani

Thanks for your replies. I asked because I recently bought a potted rose from a local plant reseller (unfortunately, roses sold locally here come unlabelled) and I'm trying to identify it. The bloom color is definitely salmon, the blooms are borne in clusters (so I thought probably a floribunda), petal count is 50+, bloom size is about 2-3 inches in diameter (I read that it's normal for blooms to be smaller in hot climates), and I would describe the fragrance intensity as moderate. The bush is on the short side, about a foot tall, and the leaves don't seem small enough to be a miniature. One of the candidates just by looking at the pictures online was Adobe Sunrise. But if its fragrance isn't mentioned in catalogs then I'll have to eliminate Adobe Sunrise from my list of candidates.

Reply #4 of 12 posted 3 AUG 17 by StrawChicago heavy clay zone 5

Nice pictures !! Since I always shop for glossy-foliage, I notice that Abode Sunrise has ROUNDER & glossier & shinier foliage than your pictures. But leaves do become glossier if fed alkaline minerals, so the shape of the leaves is the best guideline. And the height of the bush is another good guideline.	REPLY

Reply #5 of 12 posted 3 AUG 17 by Hani

Thanks for the tips about identification! Will definitely take note of the leaves when I look at candidates. And also take a second look at my plant's leaves. Since my plant is relatively young, I'll have to wait and see how tall it gets as it gets older.

Also thanks for the advice about how to make the leaves glossy! I have a (stupid) question though... what kind of fertilizers would have alkaline minerals? Does vermicompost have alkaline minerals?

Reply #6 of 12 posted 3 AUG 17 by StrawChicago heavy clay zone 5

Hani: It's a very smart question, alkaline minerals are in rocks, pea-pebbles, and esp. heavy clay. Worm-casting is rich in humus (organic matter) which chelates well to trace-elements required by roses, such as iron, zinc, copper, manganese, etc. My most healthy roses were when I topped with COMPOSTED horse manure. Worm-casting is even better than horse manure (has medications & salty-urine). From the web:
"Vermicomposting, or vermiculture, enlists a small army of worms to turn organic plant wastes (food parings, rinds, peels and lawn clippings, for instance) into rich plant food, known as "worm castings."

The anti-fungal trace-elements of zinc, copper, and boron need ORGANIC matter to chelate to, same with iron. So worm-casting help roses with trace-elements to be healthy. But for the glossy-shine on leaves, any hard-minerals in the soil will do. One time I soaked colorful pea-pebbles in acidic rain water, and after 1 week of watering, leaves went from dull to shiny & glossy. Same with topping with my alkaline clay (rich in minerals).

Reply #7 of 12 posted 4 AUG 17 by StrawChicago heavy clay zone 5

Your blooms look like 'Soleil d'Or' which is a smaller rose with strong scent, plus dull foliage like your leaves. 'Soleil d'Or' is known to thrive in dry & hot climate & alkaline clay.	REPLY

Reply #10 of 12 posted 5 AUG 17 by Hani

Thanks for the suggestion! Soleil d'Or seems a very interesting rose. Though I would worry if it is Soleil d'Or since I live in the tropics where there isn't even a pronounced dry season (basically the two seasons are wet and wetter :p), so it might just die from fungal diseases. Actually I think it might be Cimarosa (http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.27995), leaf shape looks similar, leaf edge is reddish when young, flower color is orange-pink, bloom form is "old-fashioned", is fragrant, bush is short, and it was introduced long enough ago that it would find its way in some random nursery in rural Philippines somehow. But of course, I can't be 100% sure until I see an actual labelled Cimarosa growing here.

Reply #8 of 12 posted 4 AUG 17 by HMF supporting member

Nastarana

Any chance it could be 'Spartan'? http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.76388 Short bush and fragrance both sound like 'Spartan', also the glossy foliage. OTOH, 1950s floribundas rarely show up any more in mass market pots or body bags, and some of the pix show a pinker cast. 'Spartan for me was more orange than pink and very double.	REPLY

Reply #9 of 12 posted 4 AUG 17 by HMF supporting member

Patricia Routley

I don't believe it is 'Spartan' which for me, has foliage of a blue-ish tint, and rounded petals. The pointed tipped petals in Hani's photos are reminiscent of some miniatures and I would guess, from the height that it may be a mini-flora.	REPLY

Reply #11 of 12 posted 5 AUG 17 by Hani

Thanks for the suggestions! The flower color in my plant is lighter in color than Spartan's. At first I also thought my plant might be a miniature since it's on the short side, but the leaves aren't small like I see in my miniatures. Or are there big-leaf miniatures? If so, I'll have to check the miniatures. I haven't been growing roses for long (just started a few months ago, so I have lots to learn), so I don't really know. I think my rose might be Cimarosa (http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.20562&tab=1), the picture and description are similar to my rose's. But of course I can't be 100% sure until I see an actual labelled Cimarosa growing hereabouts to compare.

Reply #12 of 12 posted 11 DEC 17 by Pat Wallace zone 5a Illinois

Hani, If your rose is young it could also be the Kordes floribunda Jolie.	REPLY