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"Red Ethel" rose Reviews & Comments
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Would those who grow the bush ‘Etoile de Hollande’ please take a look at the photos of “Red Ethel ”.
Any information on the arrangement of the pistil and stamens would help a great deal too.
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#1 of 8 posted
17 NOV 21 by
 HubertG
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I used to grow 'Etoile de Hollande' years ago and, although my memory it isn't good enough to comment on its pistil and stamens, I remember flowers usually coming little more than semi-double with broad, rather rounded outer petals like in the photographs here of Hurley's 'Australian Rose Growing for Amateurs' and the 'Womens Weekly'. I guess my overall impression is that Red Ethel isn't what I grew as Etoile de Hollande, although I do look at some of the photographs in European and American catalogues and wonder if it came more well formed in cooler conditions. It did have a wonderful strong sweet scent.
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Thank you HubertG, There seemed to be some inconsistency in the number of petals in ‘Etoile de Hollande’ (1925-43 reference).
Peter Ellis in Perth thought that ‘Etoile de Hollande’ seemed a good possibility for “Red Ethel”. There are excellent photos from Jay-Jay of ‘Etoile de Hollande’s straight thorns in Members Comments and the 1952 reference mentions straight thorns. Perhaps photos of “Red Ethel’s” canes would bring some resolution. It will be at least a year before my tiny plant produces anything to photograph. .
Ps - I am puzzled by John Nieuwesteeg comments - he wrote in the ‘Etoile de Hollande’ 2015 reference that his EdH plant is almost thornless. It may just be this rose is mostly thorny below, with bloom stems almost thornless.
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#3 of 8 posted
17 NOV 21 by
Jay-Jay
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Doesn't quite resemble Étoile de Hollande...
Maybe Crimson Glory? A strong damask scent too and more resemblance?
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Thank you Jay-Jay. I appreciate your thoughts. I see Hillary Merrifield listed ‘Etoile de Hollande’ in her garden and she was the person who uploaded the Perth photos of “Red Ethel” so would have known they were different roses. I will let Peter Ellis know.
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#5 of 8 posted
18 NOV 21 by
jedmar
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I have both EdH and CG in their climbing versions. While the blooms look similar, there are yet differences to what I see of Red Ethel. I will also add some photos to illustrate:
- RE seems to have very strong reddish prickles. The bud looks globular and the not fully expanded bloom covers its inner petals in the manner of Mme Caroline Testout
- In CG the prickles are much finer and the buds are somewhat ovoid. When the bloom fully expands it shows its stamens like RE
- EdH has less petals, the bloom is flatter and the buds shorter
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#6 of 8 posted
18 NOV 21 by
jedmar
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There were many similar dark red HTs with strong fragrance in the early 20th century. Advance search shows e.g. Crimson Queen, Dr G. Krüger, Earl Haig, Etoile de France, Hadley, Helen Gould, His Majesty, Laurent Carle, Liberty, among others. I would also add Richmond to the list. You might check which of these were available in Australia.
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Thanks Jedmar. I’ll do that tomorrow.
and add ‘Georges Laing Paul’ 1903 to the growing list.
Patricia
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#8 of 8 posted
19 NOV 21 by
HubertG
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Patricia, have you seen any photographs of 'Star of Queensland'? Could that be a possibilty?
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