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"Minette - in commerce as" rose Reviews & Comments
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26 JAN 16 by
Raynyk
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Maybe 'Banshee', Rosa x suionum and 'Dornenlose Kreiselrose' should be added as synonyms and the other roses be merged with this one?
According to Hellmer Merker and Ernst Loménius (1985) Rosa x suionum is identical with 'Minette'.
Other old names in popular speech is "svearnas ros" in Sweden, "nordens rose" in Norway.
Reference:
Rosor för nordiska trädgårdar
Author Lars-Åke Gustavsson, 1998
Quote from page 139-140:
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'Minette', nordisk ros
Syn.: Rosa x suionum Almqv.; svearnas ros.
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Hellmut Merker och Ernst Loménius har klarlagt dess ursprung och återgett den dess ursprungliga namn, se Merker 1985 a och b.
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I won't even tackle 'Banshee' at the moment, but It does seem as though Rosa x suionum and 'Minette' should be merged. However, I hesitate to because of the words "the rose currently available/ sold as 'Minette'."
I note that Rosa x suionum is shown as a Turbinata, and 'Minette as an alba, Centifolia.
And I would like to add that I am way, way out of my depth here.
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#2 of 4 posted
29 JAN 16 by
Raynyk
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I have no photos of my own but I'll try to attach photos in this post of Rosa x suionum taken by P.H. Salvesen (Arboretum and Botanic Garden, Bergen Museum, University of
Bergen) published in their article "På jakt etter kulturminneroser i gamle hager langs kysten av Norge" by him and Per Arvid Åsen (Agder Naturemuseum and Botanic Garden, Kristiansand).
My own translation of the title; Searching for cultural heritage roses along the coast of Norway.
They write that Merker identified Rosa x suionum as a synonym based on the plant at Sangerhausen marked as 'Minette' 1985.
In the article it is noted that J.A. Nannfeldt and Lars-Åke Gustavsson question wether the rose currently labeled 'Minette' is the original one, but there is consensus that the currently labeled 'Minette' (that one that is presented as 'Minette' at HMF) and Rosa x suionum are identical.
The article can be read in the pdf below:
"På jakt etter kulturminneroser i gamle hager langs kysten av Norge"
av: Per Harald Salvesen, Arboretet og Botanisk hage, Bergen Museum & Per Arvid Åsen, Agder Naturmuseum og Botaniske hage
http://www.uib.no/filearchive/aarringen2010.pdf
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The files are merged. Thank you for your patience
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#4 of 4 posted
6 MAY 20 by
 jedmar
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In have added a rough English translation of the Norwegian text you mentioned. Now we need a comparison of the characteristics of Rosa x suionum with the description of 'Minette' by Prevost (1829).
Addition: Also the English test of Joy (2006) on "Mustialanruusu" and the translation of Gerda Nissen's text on "Dornenlose Kreiselrose" added.
'Minette' is not marked in the Rosenlexikon of 1936 as existing in Sangerhausen. According to Ms. Nissen it arrived there only in 1940. Now in April 1940 Germany had occupied Denmark and Norway prior to France in June 1940. If roses were being sent to Sangerhausen as part of the booty, this rose might well have come from Norway instead of France, and mislabeled on arrival (by intention?) No documentation as to provenance seems fishy.
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