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Clark (1864-1949), Alister
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Billy West has made me aware of Clark roses with good autumn and winter hips. She names 'Daydream' and 'Lorraine Lee' particularly. 'Lorraine Lee' has lots of hips, but in Victoria they seem to stay a dull green colour. At Bulla today, where it has been very cold for a month, I saw:
'Daydream', still in flower
'Kitty Kininmonth'
'Lady Mann'
'Mrs Hugh Dettmann', still in flower, and
'Queen of Hearts'.
Photos in the same order below.
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The Argus 11th of November 1917 page 5
Yesterday the collection of seedlings exhibited by Mr Alister Clark was much admired, and particularly fine amongst these was an as yet unnamed variety, which experts spoke of as the best seedling of the show.
Followed by.....
A bunch of almost scarlet specimens, THE RUDDY, in the same group were remarkably fine for colour and shape.
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'The Ruddy' is interesting, Sandie. It almost sounds as though it may have been one of Alister's seedlings, but it doesn't exactly say that it was. Has any one else heard of 'The Ruddy'?
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It almost sounds as though it may have been one of Alister's seedlings, but it doesn't exactly say that it was
Hi Patricia-the whole paragraph was about Alister Clark's seedling roses so I would
assume that 'The Ruddy' was one of his seedlings that he had given a name to.
I looked for further reference to 'The Ruddy' but could find nothing.
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Well, we will assume it was an Alister Clark seedling too. Better that, than to lose this information again. We will open up a file for 'The Ruddy' and perhaps one day more information may enlighten us further. Well done Sandie. That, along with 'Quick Sticks' is the second Alister Clark you have bought to our notice.
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#4 of 4 posted
3 OCT 14 by
Jane Z
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The paragraph is a little ambiguous as I read it, the 'ruddy' roses *could* have been submitted by another (un-named) exhibitor, as Mr BV Rossi & 1 other exhibitor were also mentioned in the same sentences.
The article was published 1 Nov, not 11 Nov - I'll see if other media reports shed any light on 'The Ruddy'.
edit: doing more reading across a range of sources, I suspect this was a "working name" for a particular seedling that may or may not have emerged at a later date with a 'proper name'.
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Why would Alister Clark hang a list of roses bought by somebody else on his wall? Alister would have been 18 when George Hill bought his roses. And who was George Hill?
<u>1990 <i>Man of Roses</i> by T. R. Garnett. </u>
p124. Roses bought from George Brunning of St. Kilda Nurseries, Brighton Road, <b>by George Hill of Lennox St., Richmond, 22 August, 1882</b>. This list, framed, hung at Glenara, and may be of interest to historians of the rose. One of each: ....
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Hi Patricia-I don't know the tie in with Clark and Hill but I did find one reference to George Hill.
The Argus 22 September 1915
Death
HILL. - On the 20th September, 1915, at Denison,
Gippsland (suddenly), William Henry, beloved eldest son of the late George Hill, solicitor, Melbourne, and Mrs. Hill, of Boscobel, Lennox street, Richmond, aged 49 years.
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#3 of 4 posted
3 OCT 14 by
Jane Z
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George Hill was born 1831, died aged 82 in 1913. (His son William was actually 40, not 49 at the time of his death, b 1875. Just some raw numbers, to give age comparisn to AC - means he was 32 when Alister was born.
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#4 of 4 posted
3 OCT 14 by
Jane Z
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remember AC didn't return to AUS until 1892 (28), GH was 60ish, & the rose list was 10 years old before the 2 men presumably met. Perhaps AC saw the garden & liked the roses, so GH gave him the list for reference. This by the way is a great description of Hill's residence, 'Boscobel'.
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I'm moving this comment from 'Lady Somers' because it applies more generally.
My theory is that Clark was just as obsessed with breeding red and dark red roses as most other breeders from Vershuren's 'Etoile de Hollande' on. He was 70 in 1934 but still responding to shifts in taste. For instance he was very interested in the new approach to bedding roses, of which 'Lady Somers' is an example.
He thought he had hit on a lode of gold with 'Scorcher'. Because of the confusion and tiredness of the War, everything got dispersed and a lot of breeding stock got lost. But the more we look the more we see a plan. The plan can't be traced in a breeding program, for he didn't have one. He had a scatter-fire policy. Breed hundreds of seedlings and throw away the ones you don't want. Here is the listed colour of roses he DID want from 1941: Red; Dark red; Pink; Red; Red; Light pink; Light pink; Light pink; Red; Deep red; Deep cherry red; Red; Red; Dark red. No yellows, no creams or whites, no blends …
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