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jmile
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Summer Song is a really special rose in a rare colour. That said, I really hate these secretive "seedling x seedling" statements. Mr Austin did not invent roses, he built upon the works of others, who themselves have been building upon the works of others for generations. Nobody can make me believe Mr Austin got Summer Song as a chance seedling with unknown parentage. By not disclosing the parentage, he wants to prevent others from going down the same road in hybridising. Of course it's not only an Austin phenomenon, and part of my argument is vain because I can use Summer Song itself in hybridising, but I still find this kind of non-disclosure irritating to say the least.
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It would be fun to guess the parentage. I grow two own-root Pat Austin with shiny & glossy foliage, and I can see some Pat Austin in pictures of Summer Song's leaves. Pat is a water-hog and can't take full-sun & best in 4 hours of morning sun. Pat Austin has a mango scent (like Summer Song). Another rose that might be in Summer Song's parentage is Geranium Red (amazing scent & many petals, but wimpy). The glossy-foliage like Summer Song and Pat Austin need alkaline minerals & shade and constant wetness more than others, in my experience of growing 110+ OWN-ROOT roses.
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#3 of 3 posted
17 DEC by
jmile
I got my first Summer Song this year. We get very hot in the Summer in Zone 9B so I put it where it only got sun half day. It grew very listlessly. It produced some flowers but not much----so I moved it into full sun and heat----It loved it. It perked up and sent out new growth. I didn't water it a lot either---- it was adapt or die and it chose to adapt and it is looking a lot better. I am hoping that next year will be even a better year in full sun and hot weather. I got two more young plants this Fall so I will experiment. Maybe graft it onto Fortuniana to see how that goes.
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The habit of not disclosing parentage is particularly annoying for us who garden in difficult climates because it prevents us from studying lineages to help us determine whether a cultivar can thrive in our climate and soil conditions. It does help a little to know in which of his five categories Austin places his roses, but even that information is not always or often included in nursery descriptions.
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14 DEC by
jmile
Available from Palatine Nursery
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Okay, it grew out and bloomed a bit so I can comment.
It has HT form for its first half, and OGR form in its second half. Foliage is a lot like Voodoo/Louise Hay/We Salute You, but much more compact. Foliage is flori size, and so are blooms. Quite compact but not a runt. Color is like Marilyn Monroe, but without the green.
I like it. Very shiny, dense, and ethereal. No comment on scent.
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#1 of 11 posted
14 JUN 22 by
jmile
There is NOTHING compact about this rose. Just give it plenty of space and a stake to prop up its many many blooms. Mine is in its second year and I really have to get it out of its pot and into a large space in the garden.
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Photos of the bush would be of value.
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It was among the 120+ I moved last autumn/winter. I can do that next year.
The other used may be experiencing a climatic effect different than mine. Mine has been in the soil, also, but I do use excess fertilizer. I use excess on all roses because I send seedlings off to trial. This serves to partially recreate field trial treatment, where they pump them up with nitrogen and either mass overhead water or flood the rows to water in very high UV climates. In doing this, it tells me which roses will shows up with powdery and downy as parents of seedlings or as seedlings in testing.
Rose trials are almost always exaggerated artificial conditions that breeders rarely expect.
Anyway, I can do a photo Spring 2023.
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#4 of 11 posted
15 JUN 22 by
jmile
I used to upload pictures, but I no longer have an app to make my Iphone pictures files size smaller. You need smaller files. I will try again. Hey, It worked. I will start loading pictures again.
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I'm not sure which version you use, but there is an editor installed into the same app that takes that photos proprietary to iphones. Once you snap said photo, go back and click on it, and there are tons of little tools to use, including silly filters.
Glad it worked out for ya.
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Mine did mature after it bloomed. The mature architecture was similar to Singin in the Rain, but slightly tighter. I have Garden Delight 3 roses down, and its larger and wider. This is no 'Remembrance' type of compact, but it isn't very large here in the Pacific Northwest.
The form and scent are very nice. I am not usually into "OGR form" but the colors and petals persist for a good time, and did drop petals properly. The color is also interesting. Different enough from month to month without looking like junk from the weather. It would probably make a good kitchen table rose that actually has some scent to it.
With all that said, I still love my 'Easy Going' better, for this color and growth class. It's brighter, more rounded, and a real do'er.
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I am liking this a lot! New for me this year, but definitely a winner.
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I like it a lot. It has modernity and romance, and unlike many Romanticas, it doesn't suffer from rain rotting the blooms.
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Haha, wish I knew about rain. . . Haven't seen much of that for many years. Damn drought!
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You say that now, but people quickly change their minds once they experience the "joys" of rainforest climates lol. We have a low population for such a large state for a reason.
I do hope you guys get some more acceptable weather in the near future, after the incoming August Hell. I know its been a rough set of years in the SW.
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#10 of 11 posted
4 MAR 23 by
Aerith
Thanks for your input. How would you rate its disease resistance and shade tolerance? Is it good on its ownroot? We live near Seattle and it's mostly rainy or cloudy from mid fall to late spring. The healthier the better!
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19 JUL 23 by
jmile
The color of this rose very much depends on conditions and time of year. Now my blooms are yellow with light yellow edges. Zone 9B Sacramento Valley 100+ degrees in full sun. Thrives in the sun and heat.
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I’m also in Sacramento Valley and agree with your assessment. Outstanding summer, performance, great vigor, takes the heat like a champ, maintaining generous bloom, excellent repeat. Size and petal count hold in heat , and especially long lasting for a yellow blend. Strong citrus scent. Has matured from a band to a full sized plant in 6 months, all around very impressive. Was Henri the family patriarch? Usually the patriarch gets the best rose.
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Looking for a U.S. distributor for this rose (on or close to west coast / Bay Area, if possible). Looks amazing!
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You might be able to find it on Etsy from time to time
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