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Initial post 26 MAR 09 by Jeff Britt
I have to say I find it very ironic that Abraham Darby has the most votes here for disease resistance making it the highest rated rose in that category. It is a lovely rose if you're talking about the blossoms, but the plant is hardly cast iron. In my San Francisco garden it is susceptible to blackspot and mildew to some extent, and a positive martyr to rust. I have the plant in my garden -- don't get me wrong! I love the flowers: their gorgeous coppery pinks, the masses of petals and the delicious fragrance that melds sweet damask and fruit aromas. But the shrub is hardly perfect and it just seems silly it should be rated so highly here for its disease resistance.
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Reply #1 of 5 posted 5 JUN 09 by Gagnon98
I concur with your assessement. I purchase AD last Spring 2008. It bloomed well during the summer but developed a terrific bout of blackspot in my CT garden. So badly that it was nearly completely defoliated. It tried to come back a bit when it cooled off. I can only imagine what it must look like with the blackspot kept at bay. Also, we had a fairly rough winter in 2008-09 and it did not come out of it very well. All growth died to the ground, I have a small bit of growth this season with one miserly bud developing at I write this. We'll have to see how well it grows this summer to see if it is worth saving. Also I could probably have planted this a bit deeper as the bud union is exposed at the soil surface.
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Reply #2 of 5 posted 13 JAN 10 by kahlenberg
i have planted this rose as one of the first austins´s in my garden about five years ago and used to keep it rather short - almost like a hybrid tea, which was a big failure. since i train it as a pillar-rose, it happens to be much less prone to mildew and blakspot. furthermore i started to mulch the ground underneath, which is always helpful against fungial infections.
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Reply #3 of 5 posted 13 JAN 10 by Gagnon98
Unfortunately my AD bit the dust last summer. Never grew. What little growth I got shriveled up and died. Tossed the plant in the woods. I am quite sure this Spring I will substitute it for a number of new roses that I'll order and plant!
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Reply #4 of 5 posted 13 JAN 10 by Jeff Britt
Believe me, if a plant is susceptible to rust, it will get rust in San Francisco. Alas, how you prune or mulch has little or no effect. Coastal California is rose rust country. Blackspot can be a problem, as can mildew, but these are generally trifling matters compared to rust. Roses like AD that are highly susceptible defoliate repeatedly over the growing season and can be so weakened they shrink over time.

I am going to try mancozeb this coming season on my most susceptible plants. I hope this experiment works, especially on AD.
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Reply #5 of 5 posted 10 OCT 12 by mtspace
In his book "Thinking Fast and Slow," Nobel-winning author Daniel Kahneman explains the phenomenon - not using Abe Darby as an example, of course. It seems we have a mental habit of throwing things into bins like "good" and "bad." If we absolutely love Abraham Darby's blooms and the fragrance of the rose, we may judge it "good." And at that point, unless we are "thinking slow" we begin to exclude "bad" characteristics from our mental model of it: it's a "good" rose, for gosh sakes. Of course, a large portion of the book is taken up explaining all the ways our judgment is compromised by our fast-thinking processes.

I participate in a rose forum. One week I'll rave about a rose. People will go "oooh aaaah." The next week I'll find something bad to say about that same rose. I'll say it out loud, and there will be total silence. The second bit of information is not consistent with the first, which established that the rose was "good." I think that's what happens, anyway. Maybe it has something to do with heresy.

At another level, I think your experience with Abe Darby may not be typical of rose growers across the US. The microclimate of coastal California is very different from the climate even thirty miles inland. Once you get to the other side of the Rockies, things change much more. Roses that do well from, say, Missouri north, east, and south tend to be ill-suited to much of California. And vice versa. I think the reputation that Abraham Darby has of good disease resistance might trace back to all those gardeners east of the Rockies whose rose gardens are completely leveled each year by blackspot - or would be if they grew the popular exhibition-winning hybrid teas popular on the west coast. Abe Darby was one of the first widely distributed roses that they could be successful with in about half a century. (I know this from having grown a hundred or so rose cultivars when I lived for a decade in NJ.) I have been told repeatedly by a rose gardener near Santa Rosa that it is impossible to grow roses in San Francisco because of the coolish weather and the fog. So even the cultivars bred on the west coast for west coast gardeners tend to fail where you live, I am told. If that is true, then your rust ridden Abe Darby might be well above average in terms of disease performance for roses in SF.
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Initial post 6 JUN 12 by Gagnon98
Hi Jay Jay,

I hope Polka is blooming fabulously for you this year. Mine certainly is. It's even more of a messy monster this year than last year. But it's blooming like crazy despite all the cool temps and the rain we've been having the last few weeks.

Sadly, I really need to prune it back very hard. Do you have any advice for pruning back this large climbers? Just cut back and watch it re-grow?
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Reply #1 of 7 posted 6 JUN 12 by Jay-Jay
The frosts pruned it back for me till groundlevel, so it had to start from scratch!
No flowers untill now, but buds are appearing on a lot of new canes. So it can be pruned hard.

But I wouldn't choose for that option. I would cut away at ground level some of the oldest canes. The others above one or more lateral canes.
In the flowering season, I would only remove the clusters of flowers that bloomed allready. And keep the new growth and choose in spring what stays and what is going to be removed.
Good luck with this thorny beautifull beast!
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Reply #3 of 7 posted 6 JUN 12 by Gagnon98
I just can't understand how yours dies so close to the ground each year! I assumed it gets far colder in Connecticut than in the Netherlands. We get down to near 0F (-18C) every winter but not for long periods of time. But new 8'-10' canes grow up then fall on top of older canes, so those might not be flowering as heavily as the new. But I'm glad to hear that I can prune it back hard without hurting it too badly. I seem to be able to keep 'Aloha' at about 2m with relative ease. Polka is quite a bit more vigorous so I might see what a severe prune will yield. Thanks for your input.
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Reply #5 of 7 posted 6 JUN 12 by Jay-Jay
We had relatively warm wet weather untill the end of january. Then the frosts kicked in, up to minus 22° C.
No snow and a lot of sun!!! But that was the first year that this happened. I don't know which Aloha You're referring to, but the one of Boerner is a lot more vigorous, than this rose. My Polka got to the height of 2,5 m.
And Aloha can reach 5m.
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Reply #6 of 7 posted 6 JUN 12 by Gagnon98
Ah, ok, you got VERY COLD. That's right, Europe has had a few unusual winters the last few years. We had a wonderfully warm winter, all winter all. Very unusual. Polka is also growing on the south side of the house against the foundation, so it's pretty protected. Aloha is Boerner. My boss' mother grew it probably since it was introduced and my boss passed it on to me. All her Aloha bushes are probably kept to approximately 3m but they've been there for 30+yrs. Mine was a rooted cutting and is now maybe 4yrs old. Maybe this accounts for the manageable size. But I also cut it to <1m each Spring. The edges of the petals brown a bit. I thought it was because it might be too bright where it is.
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Reply #7 of 7 posted 6 JUN 12 by Jay-Jay
The one on the photo stands at a south-facing wall, but isn't pruned like Yours, but as a climbing HT.
Flowers from may untill december (depending on the weather-conditions).
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Reply #2 of 7 posted 6 JUN 12 by Jay-Jay
Can You make and upload some photo's of Your BIG Polka?
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Reply #4 of 7 posted 6 JUN 12 by Gagnon98
I'll see what if I can get some pics when I get home from work. Because of our terribly rainy weather, I've been cutting LOTS of flowers for the vase for fear everything will rot but this seems fairly resistant. Not so my Abbaye De Cluny, just balls in the rain. Aren't they from the same Romantica series? I'd think they'd be equally vigorous.
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Initial post 6 JUN 12 by Gagnon98
Oh, so I can keep this pruned to a hedge? It's H-U-G-E unpruned and too big for the space I currently have it in. This would be ideal!
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Initial post 6 JUN 12 by Gagnon98
Wow, spectacular shrub! I wanted to see what Memorial Day *could* look like. I've never seen so many buds on MD shrub, but I'll keep hoping mine will one day look like this. Good job!
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