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Harald Enders
most recent 23 JUN 09 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 23 JUN 09 by Harald Enders
Couldn't that be 'Heideröslein', bred by P. Lambert in 1932 ?
The flower at least fits the 'Heideröslein'.

P.S. The word 'Henderöslein' , and I presume it is a German word,
makes no sense in German.

Best Wishes !
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 23 JUN 09 by jedmar
Yes, I will inform Margaret.
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most recent 13 FEB 09 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 13 FEB 09 by Harald Enders
After the death of Hermann Kiese, the Kiese rose nursery stayed in business at least until 1932. At this time the last advertisement concerning roses was made in the Rosen-Zeitung. The local historian Mr. Langguth of Vieselbach reports, that the nursery was continued by Wilhelm Kiese, son of Hermann, but rose breeding and rose business was stopped, a general nursery remained: the "Baumschule Kiese" (Kiese nursery) The nursery was dispossessed and nationalized in 1949, due to Wilhelm Kiese's involvement in the Nazi-hierarchy.
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most recent 25 JAN 09 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 25 JAN 09 by Harald Enders
The correct name probably is "Frau Dr. Krüger", not "Frau Dr. G. Krüger". The cultivar was introduced under "Frau Dr. Krüger" by H. Kiese. [Rosen-Zeitung 1919, p. 73]

Mme. Caroline Testout x Baronne Henriette de Loew; growth vigorous; foliage large and desease resistant; flowers lasting, full, creme-salmon, solitary on long stems;
usable for all purposes; good as cut-flower [Rosenzeitung 1919, p. 73]

Similar to Mme. Jules Gravereaux [Rosen-Zeitung 1919, p. 84]

Hybrid Tea, salmony on yellow [Rosen-Zeitung 1920, p.7]
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 25 JAN 09 by jedmar
The statement on the similarity to 'Mme Jules Gravereaux' is intriguing. I wonder whether one of the versions of MJG in commerce is actually 'Frau Dr. Krüger'?
Was there a reference lso to the exhibition of 1911 at Saverne?
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 25 JAN 09 by Harald Enders
Yes, there is, it reads:

"Our honored member and breeder Dr. Krüger had exhibited a lot of novelties as standards, of which the most prominent were Frau Dr. Krüger, Dernburg and Adeline Wolfhügel." [Rosen-Zeitung 1911, p.71]
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most recent 25 JAN 09 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 25 JAN 09 by Harald Enders
Name registration in 1916 [Rosen-Zeitung 1916, p.93]

La France x unnamed seedling, color a bit darker than La France, flower semi full, upright, lasting [Rosen-Zeitung 1918, p. 48]

No 602 Tom Wood, Dr. Krügers La France, exceptionally good breeding for all purposes. [Rosen-Zeitung 1918, advertisement following p.52]
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 25 JAN 09 by jedmar
Is the advertisement in the Rosenzeitung of 1918 by Weber & Scheuermann or by Dr. Krüger himself?
What do you believe that "Tom Wood, Dr. Krüger's La France" means?
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 25 JAN 09 by Harald Enders
The advertisement is by Weber & Scheuermann.
I would estimate, that the name "Dr. Krüger's La France" was more or less a "working title", not given by Dr. Krüger himself, but by others who saw this rose either at Krüger's home or at rose exhibitions, where may have shown it. There did exist quite a lot of unnamed seedlings by Krüger who were presented (or visited) and the name originated in the similarity with 'La France'. In the first advertisement from 1917 it was still called "Krüger's La France" (probably to refer to an already known name).
In 1918 I think Weber & Scheuermann came out with the "proper" name 'Tom Wood', given to this cultivar by Weber & Scheuermann. At least W&S intended to stick this name to this cultivar, which didn't work out.

But this is just an educated guess.
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