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This Rose is confusing.
I need to arrange information.
Tausendschön
↓seedling
☆Summer Snow, Cl. ：White blend Climber Once-blooming spring or summer.／Spring or summer flush with scattered later bloom.
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★Summer Snow ：White blend Floribunda,Bush Blooms in flushes throughout the season.
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Pink Summer Snow：Light pink Climber Once-blooming spring or summer.／Spring or summer flush with scattered later bloom.
Its Japanese name is ‘Pink Summer Snow, Cl.’/Harugasumi（春がすみ）
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Spring Pal（Its Japanese name）：Light pink Floribunda,Bush Discovered by Itami Rose Nursery (Japan 2004) Blooms in flushes throughout the season.
In Japan,‘Pink Summer Snow’→〔Climber〕 ‘Spring Pal’→〔Floribunda,Bush〕
‘Spring Pal’ is not Climber.
These(Summer Snow, Cl./Summer Snow/Pink Summer Snow/Spring Pal) are popular in Japan.
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#1 of 2 posted
27 JAN 21 by
 jedmar
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Thank you for the clarification. We have separated 'Spring Pal' from 'Pink Summer Snow'. Please check if now correct.
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Thank you so much for the quick response.
I've confirmed.
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I'm ex-rose gardener at Flower Festival Commemorative Park.
The picture is an unknown rose, I didn't notice, I am deeply sorry.
This rose is not ‘Fantasia’.
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#1 of 2 posted
27 JAN 21 by
jedmar
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Thank you, probably an incorrect label was photographed by one of your visitors. Do you have a proper photo of 'Fantasia'?
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Thank you for your comment.
I upload it in a few days.
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sport of KORtember
Individuals that have mutated in Japan and returned to "Harmony" have been confirmed.
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Interesting. The current (3rd) edition of 'Sublime Rosa' gives the date of 'Dolcezza' as 2010. I suspect that Rose Barni don't give obtention dates but catalogue dates, since the same entry states that 'Dolcezza' won the Medal of Beauty at Barcelona in 2008.
Incidentally, the same page lists the variety 'Broccato' as one of their Toscana line, old style HTs, but you don't list it.
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#1 of 13 posted
30 DEC 13 by
Cà Berta
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With BARNI roses is very difficult to understand what is going on ....
The only reference for Dolcezza in HMF (Sublime rosa 2004) reports as breeding date 1987. I have a few BARNI catalogues of the '90s and in fact there is listed a Dolcezza (Barni 1986 Bardolc). In recent BARNI catalogues it is listed a Dolcezza (Barni 2010 Bardolc).
The two roses may or may not be the same. However, according to Barni catalogues, they differ in height 120-140 cm the old and 70-90 the new one. Besides, as the new Dolcezza had a recent award in Barcellona, it can not be the old one..
A possible explanation is that Barni registers the same trademark for different roses (see also a comment for Briosa)
Dolcezza
Italy - TM No 1027320 on 6 November 2006
Application on 23 October 2002
Renewal
Italy - TM No 1504572 on 16 August 2012
Application on 24 July 2012
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#2 of 13 posted
19 AUG 14 by
Cà Berta
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Here are the data of the registration of the trademark for the first Dolcezza, that was not renewed 10 years later.
Dolcezza
Italy – TM No 500334 on 11 November 1988
Application on 2 October 1987
Strangerly enough the application of the trademark for the second Dolcezza was on 23 October 2002, well ahead both of the Barcelona Price (2008) and the catalogue date (2010). This trademark was renewed on 16 August 2012
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This rose is planted in ‘Flower Festival Commemorative Park’. It is a rose that has been replicated from the ‘Carla Fineschi Foundation Rose Garden’.
Of the two varieties with the same name, I got a rose from a Serbian farm, which seems to be new release.
This rose had the impression that AUSblush or its immediate offspring was used for breeding.The leaves, flowers and fragrance were just that.
Upload an image of an old version of the rose planted in ‘Flower Festival Commemorative Park’.
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#4 of 13 posted
4 JAN 20 by
jedmar
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It seems clear that we are dealing with two different 'Dolcezza'. I have added a detailed reference for the original 1986 'Dolcezza' at Carla Fineschi and Flower Festival Commemorative Park. The rose in commerce now is different and was apparently intoduced 2010. It is not unusual that Trademarks are applied for before the rose is issued. If Barni had the intention to recycle the Name and issue a new 'Dolcezza', they would have known well in advance and possibly the seedling already existed in 2002.
As a result, we have now two 'Dolcezza' listed with the appropriate photos and other information.
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Thank you for your comment.
This rose of 1987, the fragrance is none to mild only feel green apple.
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#6 of 13 posted
4 JAN 20 by
Cà Berta
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In the taxonomic catalogue of Roseto Botanico Gianfranco e Carla Fineschi at Cavriglia the 1987 Dolcezza is reported to be located next to Garisenda. I happened to have a photo of these two close roses ... I might load it, although there is no label and thus I am not definitly sure of it being Dolcezza.
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Thank you for your comment.
The photo you uploaded looks like 'Dolcezza (1987)'.
I feel it just like the roses, planted in the ‘Flower Festival Commemorative Park’.
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#8 of 13 posted
5 JAN 20 by
Cà Berta
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Next time I go to Roseto Fineschi I will check the label to confirm that it is the mather plant from which the graft material was taken.
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Thank you for your comment.
It is a dream garden that I would like to visit ‘Carla Fineschi Foundation Rose Garden’.
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#10 of 13 posted
5 JAN 20 by
jedmar
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"Rampicante" as mentioned in Theatrum Rosarum!
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#11 of 13 posted
5 JAN 20 by
Cà Berta
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It is located in a "rampicante" bed but in the recent taxonomic catalogue is listed as "shrub" ... and it looks "shrub"!!
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#13 of 13 posted
6 JAN 20 by
jedmar
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Yes, that's why it is listed as a shrub, but with the comment that it can be trained as a climber, as in the photo
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At the ‘Flower Festival Commemorative Park’ in Japan, this rose grows into a shrub, about 1.5m x 1.5m.
Blooms in flushes throughout the season.
I think this rose can be used for cut flower, climbing on short fences and pillars.
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