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"Fantin-Latour" rose Reviews & Comments
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The references for this rose are riveting.
Charles Quest-Ritson's full article in the Historic Rose Journal in 2009 is recommended reading.
I have Bunyard's 'Old Garden Roses' book 1956, but he chose 1840 as his cut-off date and did not cover roses after that date.
As far as I can gather, the provenance for A rose may have been :
Someone-1; Bunyard-2; Messel at Nymans-3; Fleischmann-4; G.S.Thomas-5.
But which rose? 'Fantin-Latour' or 'Best Garden Rose'?
Then there are the questions, cupped or non-cupped?
Large thorns (2003 ref) or tiny prickles (my comment May 4).
Another question struggles to rise in my mind, about the china-type leaves.
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Going from memory, as it's January here, I recall 'Fantin-Latour's bloom as flattish, not cupped, and not very large.
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The dimensions given for 'Fantin-Latour' are too small. My two good shrubs of this are about 6' wide, and the grafted parent plant was 10' wide after a couple of years.
I'll make my contribution to the confusion about origins and classification: 'Fantin-Latour' doesn't look much like a Centifolia to me. It has few thorns, while all the Centifolias I know of are quite thorny, and its arching well-foliaged canes don't look like the lanky and rather stiff and open growth I associate with most of the Centifolias.
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I don't understand. Nearly all the Fantin Latour bushes I've seen on the internet, including this site, behave differently than mine. The flowers, leaves and canes are the same, but the bushes look wild or like they're having a "bad hair day". I'd say I had the wrong rose, but the same one used to grow in a nearby city's rose garden and it had the same identical growth pattern as mine. In fact, a big metal
plaque sat in front of the bush that had "Fantin Latour" engraved on it.
My 4 year old bush (I moved away) was a well-shaped dome covered with leaves so uniformally the canes were hidden all the way to the ground. When it flowered in summer it resembled a green pin cushion with lots of pink poke-a-dots. It's "well-mannered" look with the blooms was quite stunning. Of course, maybe the willamette valley here in Oregon (zone 8a) has the perfect climate for Fantin Latour. Heck, I don't know. ******By the way rain never damaged the roses - which bloomed beautifully for weeks. The blooms were plentiful, large, full, light pink with a wonderful intense fragrance that carried with the air. I read a book that said pruning yearly after blooming gives more prolific blooms the following year.
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Last spring I noted that when all the surrounding roses were bursting out with gorgeous new leaf, Fantin-Latour was still leafless and looking craggy and wizened, all bare and a very late starter. It looked as though it was something to be a bit ashamed of. The bush caught up in time and when other roses were eventually starting to produce a bit of black spot, in late November (late spring here), there it was, in full and perfect large leaf, looking quite lush and immaculate. These leaves are said to have a china smoothness about them and they are smooth, but I struggle to see anything china about them. They are big and wide. This is not one of your ordinary run-of-the-mill roses. For me, the rose’s signature characteristic are the slightly downcurved tiny prickles. Only a few prickles, which are quite out of character for such a large bush, and that you have to search for, are retained on the old wood. They are more evident on a new shoot just under a bloom.
I'll upload a few photos.
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**Interesting. Unfortunately, I don't have access to any Fantin Latours now. Since I moved the new owners have removed all my rose bushes, and the city rose garden (Owen's garden in Eugene, Oregon) has since removed more than half of their antique roses - including Fantin Latour. So sad. Uniquely, this park's old rose section used to be as big as it's modern rose area. For some years now , empty spaces around the surviving old roses have been filled with other kinds of flowers, but the city budget is cutting way down on those too. **I buy my roses through the mail from "Heirloom Roses" near Portland, Oregon. Sometimes I visit their garden. Maybe I will visit again this year and check the leaves and prickles of Fantin Latour. That's where I bought mine. **Thanks for the information and photos. I hope your Fantin Latour continues to do well.
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Where's the hyphen? In the name of the rose Fantin-Latour, that is. Every other source I check and in most of the references for that rose on your site, the hyphen is there.
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17 DEC 12 by
 jedmar
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We have references with both with and without the hyphen. Even GST, who named the rose, was not consistent in his usage. As the painter had a hyphen in his name, we will add this. The hyphen has no impact on the search function.
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