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'Alika' rose Reviews & Comments
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Bonjour,
I don't see any difference between 'Alika' and 'Gallica splendens' !
Could you clarify ?
Both have nothing to do with 1583 nor with a francofurtana
Kindly yours
Daniel
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11 JUN 12 by
 jedmar
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There are many who state that 'Gallica splendens' is in reality a francofurtana. Re 'Alika', you might have received a plant which ist the same as 'Gallica splendens'. Can you explain your view for discussion?
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Thank you for your response.
I think that there is a widespread confusion concerning Francofurtana (probably due to the misleading synonymy 'turbinata' introduced by Aiton, 1789)
If you go to the pictures of "Francofurtana" on HelpMeFind you will see that there is a total disagreement between the presented figures : the painting by Jacquin is very different from the others pictures concerning the ovary. Indeed, the painting by Jacquin is wrong and does not represent Francofurtana but an other rose. Look also at the pictures by De L'Ecluse (Clusius) for his Rosa sine spinis (1601), or by Redouté as well as by Willmott and you will have confirmation that the ovary of the true Francofurtana is very large (this rose was called 'A gros cul' in France!). Prévost (1829) is very clear "ovaire au collet évasé sans étranglement". This kind of large ovary is also found on the francofurtana 'Imperatrice Joséphine'.
Thus, there is no synonymy between francofurtana and 'gallica splendens' or 'Alika'. These last 2 roses looking very similar on HelpMeFind.
Kindly yours,
Daniel
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5 JUL 11 by
Naasra
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On my opinion, this rose doesn't really exist, but is identical with Rosa gallica 'Splendens'. Up to now, I've never seen one which is not 'Splendens'. All these pictures show R. gallica 'Splendens', too.
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31 AUG 11 by
Hardy
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A few months ago, I acquired both Alika and Splendens as breeding stock, and am growing them side by side. My impression so far is that there are some slight differences, but I'm not sure how far they go, so I'll study them over the next year, and report what I notice.
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1 SEP 11 by
Naasra
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Very interesting. I'm really curious about the results of your study. I'll be looking forward to your report.
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For 'Alika'/Rosa gallica grandiflora on the description page, I did not note that 'Alika' is a selection of Rosa gallica grandiflora. 'Alika' is Rosa gallica grandiflora. Hansen renamed this rose.
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Very hardy here in zone 4 Alaska. It's nice to see stamens on a rose that isn't single. Showy without being pretentious.
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