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'Yellow Noisette' rose Reviews & Comments
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Magazine of Horticulture 3(4): 136-137 (April 1837)
ART. V. On the Production of Roses from Seed, and some Remarks respecting the treatment of the Yellow Noisette Rose.
By J. W. RUSSELL, Superintendent at Mount Auburn. Cambridge
The yellow noisette rose is very highly spoken of by those who have had the pleasure of seeing it flower in great perfection. There are a number of amateurs in this vicinity that have it, and are seldom, or ever, able to obtain a perfect flower: the reason of this deformity may in a great degree be occasioned by the want of nourishment at the time when the flowers are opening: this is, in my humble opinion, the precise time that every attention is necessary to help the plant with proper stimulants to put forth its blooms, the flowers being large and very full of petals, closely set together; the plants ought to be well supplied with food from the first swelling of the buds to their full expansion; and if all this has been regularly attended to, and the result a failure, I know of no other means to resort to but to insert the buds into the Boursault, Greville, or Multiflora roses, which are probably the best stocks that can be easily obtained for this purpose.
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Sorry Karl. Which Magazine of Horticulture? :
The Scottish Gardener: a magazine of horticulture and floriculture
The Gardener, a Magazine of Horticulture and Floriculture
The Magazine of Horticulture, Botany and All Useful Discoveries and Improvement In Rural Affairs
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#2 of 3 posted
2 AUG 15 by
 CybeRose
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The Magazine of Horticulture, Botany and All Useful Discoveries and Improvement In Rural Affairs
I'll have to remember these for future references.
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Now Added.
HelpMeFind references a vast number of publications - a quick count this morning totalled 2,760.
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6 SEP 11 by
IanM
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It is hard to believe that this lovely little rose may be extinct. It was apparently a very popular rose in its day.
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When there is just two references for the past 100 years, and the rose was said to ball, I can well believe it is extinct.
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#2 of 8 posted
7 SEP 11 by
IanM
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I note that it is thought to be one of the parent plants of 'Devoniensis' (aka 'Victoria'); the other parent considered to be Park's yellow tea-scented China.
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#3 of 8 posted
7 SEP 11 by
jedmar
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Do you have any reference for Devoniensis as the pollen parent?
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#4 of 8 posted
8 SEP 11 by
IanM
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No sorry. Can anyone else answer this please?
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#5 of 8 posted
8 SEP 11 by
Cà Berta
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In "The Florist, Fruitist and Garden Miscellany", 1854 there is this information, apparently quoted from “Beauties of the rose” by Henry Curtis 1850.
“This fine variety (Devoniensis) was raised by George Foster, Esq., of Oatland, near Devonport (a genuine lover of horticulture and a true florist), who believes that it was produced from the yellow China, fertilised by the yellow Noisette, as he was in the constant habit of impregnating the former with the latter. It flowered the first year from the seed-bed, but was small and weak; on being budded, however, on a strong stock, it proved a very fine variety.”
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#6 of 8 posted
8 SEP 11 by
IanM
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Thanks Cà Berta, That is an excellent source. I think what Jedmar is asking is are there any roses that have Devoniensis as the pollen parent? I did a search on helpmefind and found two that give Devoniensis as the pollen parent, 'Captain Philip Green' and 'The Puritan'. I assume they are using the accepted way of writing hybrids as seed parent x pollen parent, with the pollen parent appearing last.
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#7 of 8 posted
30 JUL 15 by
CybeRose
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The previous quotation is not exact:
Beauties of Roses - (1850-1853) 1980 facsimile edition, pp. xxi-xxii
Henry Curtis
Devoniensis
The fortunate raiser of this Rose was the late George Foster, Esq., of Oatland, near Devonport, whose brother Edward W. Foster has kindly favored us with .the following informations as to its parentage, &c. “The Devoniensis was raised by my brother, a genuine lover of horticulture and a true florist. His opinion was that it was produced from the Yellow China by an impregnation of the Yellow Noisette Smithii which was growing alongside it, as he was in the constant habit of impregnating his roses. One of some seeds saved at the same time produced a rose much like the Yellow Noisette, but greatly inferior to Devoniensis; it flowered the first year from the seed bed, but was small and weak, and the second year on being budded on a strong stock, it grew to a very fine flower.”
“In the following year Mr. Pince, of the Firm of Lucombe, Pince, & Co., of Exeter,offered my brother twenty guineas for it, and it then passed into their hands; it is perfectly hardy but requires a rich strong soil.”
Those eminent horticulturists (Messrs. Lucombe & Co.,) state that Mr. Foster thought very highly of some other seedlings that were raised with Devoniensis, but after growing them with every care and comparing them with it, they (Messrs. Lucombe & Co.,) found them too inferior to send out, which shows the lottery attendant on raising seedlings. Devoniensis, however, exhibiting the brilliant prize that may sometimes be realized.
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The Gardener's Magazine and Register of Rural & Domestic Improvement, Volume 8 page 507 (1832)
A Banksian medal was also recommended to be bestowed on Mr. Wm. Smith, gardener to the Earl of Liverpool, for his yellow Noisette rose.
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