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'Archduke Charles' rose Reviews & Comments
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I just read through a very interesting Master's Thesis on genetic relationships between roses of China and/or Tea descent. Take notice of the following quote from the summary (on page 62), which is elaborated upon earlier in the paper (beginning on page 35):
"A number of vegetative sports and synonyms within the China Rose group were also identified, including the largest group made up of ‘Old Blush’, ‘Climbing Old Blush’, ‘Green Rose’, ‘Single Pink’, ‘Rouletii’, ‘Pompon de Paris’, ‘Bengale d’Automne’, ‘Archduke Charles’, and an R. chinensis var. semperflorens. "
Other roses determined to be sports of (rather than seedlings of) others in the study based on identical genetic profiles include:
'Fabvier' = 'Martha Gonzalez' = 'Old Gay Hill Red China' (the latter a taller sport)
'Cramoisi Superieur' = 'Serratipetala' (the latter a sport of the former)
'Hermosa' = 'Setina' (the latter a climbing sport of the former)
And the genetic similarity of 87% (rather than 100%) between 'Cramoisi Superieur' and 'Climbing Cramoisi Superieur' substantiate the claim that the latter is a seedling of the former, and not a sport.
And finally, a list of ploidies was given in Table 4, beginning on the paper's page 28. Of interest is the list of tested Chinas (and some others) found to be triploid:
Cramoisi Superieur Climbing Cramoisi Superieur Hermosa Martha Gonzales Serratipetala Old Gay Hill China Setina Napoleon Louis Philippe Slater's Crimson China Fellenberg Bengale Centifeuilles Ferndale Red China Fabvier Zephirine Drouhin Souvenir de la Malmaison Bouquet d'Or Lamarque Mme Alfred Carriere Climbing Devoniensis Adam
Thanks to Henry Kuska for posting the link to the summary of the paper on the RHA forum, to which a response was posted with a link to the full paper. The full paper may be read at the link below:
http://repository.tamu.edu/bitstream/handle/1969.1/ETD-TAMU-2009-12-7450/SOULES-THESIS.pdf?sequence=2
:-)
~Christopher
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#1 of 2 posted
24 APR 13 by
Jay-Jay
Thank You very much for this info and the link to the PDF-file!
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#2 of 2 posted
24 APR 13 by
AquaEyes
You're welcome!
I'm supposing that now 'Archduke Chalres' should be listed as a sport, rather than seedling, of 'Old Blush' -- along with 'Green Rose', 'Rouletii' and the others. And 'Serratipetala' likewise a sport of 'Cramoisi Superieur'.
:-)
~Christopher
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Available from - Loubert
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This rose has a fruity rosefragrance with tones of raspberry. Like the Dutch candy from my youth, that I used to buy at the traveling carnival: "wijnbal" (wineball) see: http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wijnbal and on the photo the right-one. (the left-one is a licorice-ball)
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Anyone ever get sports on the plant ? I have been getting a single stem that has been putting out an almost Russett / Smokey hued flower for the past 3 or 4 years. I know it has to be stable. I figure it has been easy to grow from cuttings so I am trying that route instead of grafting it for now. Any suggestions ? I would love to name it after my twin sister =) I am looking for the flower itself to take a photo off ...of course I am NOT seeing it, the closest looking rose I have to this sport, as far as color / pattern / look would be along the lines of Jewel Box !
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22 MAR 10 by
Jay-Jay
You could try to tear off a one year old twig from the plant, in a way that a little part of the stem that is two years old comes off with it. It's called, when I translate it right, ( (;-) Margareth) "a cutting with heel". The length of the cutting should be about 20-25 cm. The not ripened part first cut off and thrown away before measuring. Than plant it aproximately 15 cm deep into (not too rich) pottingsoil, or directly into the ground containing very good ripened old compost. This method works for me, many years already, to grow new plants.
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thanks for the reply! I have the plant rooted, just waiting to see if the sport is true. regards, andrew
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22 MAR 10 by
Cass
Archduke Charles has this reputation. I once thought I had a sport or a different cultivar when I saw the first bloom on a very small cutting I had collected from an ancient plant of Archduke Charles. It turned out to be the usual atypical first bloom.
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