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Kim, may I ask how these pollinations went? Did you get a good number of hips with many seeds, or is it not very fertile?
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Hi Hubert, some formed but not many. It makes large, oddly shaped hips with only one or two HUGE seeds per fruit. I've not yet planted them but I don't have a lot of expectations from them.
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#2 of 5 posted
20 NOV 21 by
 HubertG
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Thanks for replying, Kim. Although it's unfortunate that you never obtained too many seeds from this, it's still very fascinating. I have little doubt that this rose must be 'Improved Rainbow' which I believe is most likely a sport (not a seedling) from 'Rainbow', which itself was a sport from 'Papa Gontier'. There is an illustration of a 5 month old hip of 'Papa Gontier' in the Rosen-Zeitung from 1903 (photo id 322229 here) which shows a somewhat asymmetrical and oval shape (unusual for a Tea - see comments under that photo posting) and the text of the author tells how he "fertilised on 6th June and the hips (Fig 25) were still entirely green on 12th November, they contained very good viable seeds of colossal size".
So this is entirely consistent with your finding of huge seeds in your crosses, and it's also the kind of thing 'Lady Hillingdon' does (a few huge seeds in the hips that do develop, although the hips aren't distorted), and of course she is the progeny of 'Papa Gontier'.
If you end up planting your seeds I hope something good comes from them - something stripey and as good as 'Lady Hillingdon' would be amazing.
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Thank you, Hubert. The description of the seeds you provided are in line with what I see. The hips were large and longer than wide and the seeds are large. Not as large as the "hazel nuts" Hillingdon produces, but they are a decent size.
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20 NOV 21 by
HubertG
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Thanks, Kim. They look pretty good. I wish we had "Moser Striped Rose" in Australia. It looks like a great rose and it would be interesting to compare it alongside what we grow as 'Papa Gontier', which I suspect really isn't 'Papa Gontier'.
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You're welcome, Hubert. I've grown Gontier and Rainbow and neither have flowered as well as Moser and Rainbow was marginally striped where Moser is dramatic most of the time. And, like both of the others, Moser is SUBSTANTIALLY improved by budding.
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