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'Glory John' rose Reviews & Comments
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3 NOV 14 by
CybeRose
Journal of Horticulture and Practical Gardening, 11: 375-376 (Oct 29, 1885) THE COMING RACE OF ROSES. T. W. G. Deducing a hybrid's origin from its outward characteristics or habit may perhaps be objected to as only presumptive, and therefore inadmissible; but as there are so few records of the origin of Roses (and even those preserved generally give only the seed parent), until the hybridisation of these plants be much more exactly effected and noted, no other method of classifying the bulk of the florists' varieties exists. That the origin of a hybrid may be fairly accurately deduced from the evidence of its exterior is indicated by cases where the exact cross has been recorded. Moreover, it is well known that seedlings raised from a hybrid frequently show a tendency to revert to the form of one of that hybrid's parents. Now it has long been held that Gloire de Dijon originated from the crossing of some Tea-scented Rose by a Bourbon variety. True, there was no yellow Bourbon that could have assisted in the production, but then Gloire de Dijon is only a yellow Rose by courtesy on a north aspect, and the opaque colour (as in Bourbon Queen) that seemed to overlie the yellow in the petals, the flat expanded flowers with the stamens all hidden by the doubled-over petals (as in Souvenir de la Malmaison), and the broad leathery leaves, were deemed sufficiently conclusive evidence. Myriads of seedlings have been raised from Gloire de Dijon, many inclining more to the Tea-scented type, as Belle Lyonnaise, &c, until now comes the white Etendard de Jeanne d'Arc, which at a little distance looks like the ghost of a Souvenir de la Malmaison. This seedling therefore affords an additional indication by reverting to a Bourbon type that the supposition, founded on its external characteristics, of Gloire de Dijon having been a hybrid between a Tea and a Bourbon was well grounded, and this may serve as an argument in favour of reasonable deductions of a similar kind in other cases.
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2 NOV 14 by
CybeRose
Roses and their culture (1877) pp. 116-117 By W D. Prior In 1853 a Rose of a far different stamp was vouchsafed to us—Gloire de Dijon (raised by M. Jacotot), a hybrid of unknown origin, classed with the Teas. In this discovery we have one of the very best that ever grew, and which stands, in spite of any rivalry, at the very head of the true rosarian's list. The shape of the flower somewhat resembles that of "Malmaison," though deeper and with more stuff in it. The ground colour is a creamy-yellow deepening into a rich coppery-salmon, which is sometimes transmuted into a full golden hue— particularly in the bud stage. Its growth is stout and vigorous—equal to any demands that can be made upon a wall, pole, or pillar Rose. This splendid variety is first-rate for all purposes, and is certainly one of the sheet-anchors for town rosarians. It is further a most prolific parent, having yielded many excellent seedlings, amongst which Madame Berard, a deeper salmon colour and even a stronger grower; and Belle Lyonnaise, a paler yellow, are most attractive varieties.
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31 MAY 14 by
Give me caffeine
As someone very new to heritage roses, which primarily interest me because of possible disease resistance under subtropical conditions, I've been scouring this site quite a bit lately.
I have noticed that different sources often give different opinions on disease resistance. I have even seen listings with notes like "Very resistant to disease. Susceptible to blackspot.", which for someone from the subtropics reads much like "Definitely mammalian. Has scales and gills." or "Tough as old boots. Will curl up and die in ten minutes flat."
This particular rose, 'Gloire de Dijon', has one member comment saying no problems with disease in Belgium, but elsewhere on the site I found an experienced gardener saying it was a "blackspot magnet" in Virginia, USA.
(Discussion id : 30-163 - http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.4009&tab=32)
If this susceptibility, in that sort of climate, can be confirmed by anyone else, perhaps this rose should be listed as "Susceptible to blackspot", or at least a caveat added somehow.
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17 MAR 12 by
CybeRose
The Gardeners’ Chronicle 23: 382 (March 21, 1885) TEAS OR NOISETTES by "Wild Rose"
"Unfortunately we cannot determine its parentage; it came up, as Jacotot himself told me, as a chance seedling in his garden at Dijon. He pointed out to me the very spot."
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