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'Michèle Torr ®' rose Reviews & Comments
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Pretty overrated. I grow for a rose nursery and when we send out the contract order grow these are never great looking. This year, after a very bad winter we ended up holding all of them from one order and 7/10 from another one because they were so awful: defoliated from downy mildew despite my intense spray program and very little growth compared to everything else. Like goncmg said, it has a great form when it is just opening but once it starts to open it loosens up quite quickly, betrayed by a very low petal count. I'm sure that helps keep it from weatherspotting but it's not all that for a vase. Pretty lame for an aars hybrid tea. If you want a good white go with a more modern one, the industry has made some headway in better whites since 1976. Apologies to Bill Warriner as I'm usually a pretty big fan of his work.
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20 JAN 13 by
 goncmg
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Not a bad rose but rather over-rated and in its day very over-hyped. Gets very tall. Foliage is dull. Blooms look formal at first but once open there is more than evident a lack of a few petals. In some seasons it will get a very, very thin RED edge to the petals, very unique..............but very close to MATTERHORN which preceded it by a decade. If only the bloom from Whte Masterpiece could have been assigned to this one's plant (or Matterhorn's plant).........alas, not meant to be. There still remains to be had a truly remarkable in every sense WHITE Hybrid Tea............looking back on that AARS trifecta in 1980 with Warriner and Love, Honor and Cherish it is almost like the marketing department said they wanted THOSE names and then found the "best" roses in "applicable" colors to fit the bill with little attention paid to what REALLY was excellent that year..............none of them are very good roses. Love, which is woefully mis-classed, was I believe accepted to be the WORST of the 3 when released but is actually in my opinion the BEST of the 3 and is also the ONLY of the 3 to still be readily available............
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Two years ago I planted John F. Kennedy and Honor to be the whites in my new hybrid tea cutting garden (zone 10a - coastal southern California). I took out one Honor a year ago and replaced it with Pope John Paul II. This year, I've taken out the remaining Honor and the JFK, and in their place I've added another Pope John Paul II.
Anyone have any comments on Secret's Out?
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You might try looking up which members have this in their gardens and contacting them directly on their member pages.
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I have Secret's Out. It blooms a lot and the blossoms last pretty well cut. it's very disease resistant, even more fragrant than Secret, and the blossoms are classic, quite like Honor. I've had a struggle to get Pope John Paul to grow well in our area but this one thrives.
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Thanks, Anita. I planted a Secret's Out this spring, and it's off to a slow start. I have a Secret in my garden, and it's a great performer, so I'm hopeful that Secret's Out will catch up next year. My Poploe John Paul II grows and grows and grows. But it puts out flowers very frequently in clusters, so it requires a lot of thumb pruning.
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Like Secret, Secret's Out requires a good, steady supply of water, much more so than many of my other HTs, most of which, like Secret's Out, are also on Huey stocks. Slacking off on the water even a bit causes it to stop growing and just sit there. Flood it as if you are trying to drown it and watch it explode. That is, unless your drainage is so slow you might rot it out. Here, that is definitely NOT an issue.
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This was the rose I got to choose for the garden. I remember it fondly growing up. I believe Dad said the tornado that hit my hometown is what was the end of that bush, also. It thrived pretty well in Central Kansas for many years.
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