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'Bizarre Triomphante' rose Reviews & Comments
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I am new to growing old garden roses. My R. Charles de Mills is still fully clothed in leaves at the end of Winter. With my reblooming roses I will prune them in a few weeks time and any remaining leaves get removed, just wondering if stripping off the leaves of CdM and other once flowerers that have retained leaves is a good idea too?
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I can't say I've ever given any thought to this. However, the once-flowerers are about to launch into their once-a-year event, and might want a maximum source of energy production. I'd be inclined to leave them to drop leaves that aren't necessary.
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#2 of 6 posted
25 JUL 23 by
 jedmar
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I wouldn't strip off leaves. The plant knows when and which leaves it should drop for best survival. It optimizes water and nutrient flow
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#3 of 6 posted
25 JUL 23 by
Jay-Jay
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Maybe prune after flowering? For it blooms on old wood.
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Thanks so much for your replies. I had anticipated that you would all say the opposite! But very glad to have one less chore to do. The once flowering roses I have are all quite young and I haven't pruned them yet, but might very lightly this year after flowering. Hopefully they will just shed their old leaves naturally.
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#5 of 6 posted
28 JUL 23 by
Jay-Jay
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That's one of the reasons I like old roses. They don't need, or like, what someone called "the Morticia Addams style of pruning".
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7 DEC 21 by
Unregistered Guest
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Available from - High Country Roses
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14 SEP 21 by
Le_Not
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Available from - Fedco Trees
https://www.fedcoseeds.com/trees/roses
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#1 of 2 posted
16 SEP 21 by
jedmar
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Not on the website of Fedco Trees. Can you ask them to register their nursery on HMF and add their plants?
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#2 of 2 posted
16 SEP 21 by
Le_Not
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Rats -- they JUST changed it! (And I was hoping to buy this and several other now-discontinued roses from them, too...) In any case; yes, I'll email them and suggest they register on HMF.
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I am baffled by references to bronze or orange shadings in this variety. Could there have been another variety of the same, or similar, name?
By the way, the 'Charles de Mills' I remember from Kansas was small and rather unhappy, and very much a Gallica. But the plant growing at the Heritage Garden in San Jose looks more like a Hybrid China ... or a once-blooming version of something David Austin would have raised.
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#1 of 2 posted
17 JUL 21 by
jedmar
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Yes, strange. Nietner's description is a German translation of Baudriller's 1880 catalogue. Singer in 1885 then must have taken these for his Dictionnaire. I feel that CdM was lost for about 50 years until the 20th century. Orange-red as a colour description is also strange - there are no orange-reds at all in the 19th century. This colour appeared with the Pernetianas. So, what did rouge orangé or orangeroth mean in 1880?
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#2 of 2 posted
28 JUL 21 by
CybeRose
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The varieties listed under 'Charles de Mills' that have "orange" or "bronze" in the name or description are mostly described as striped or streaked.
William Paul (1848) set up a new class he called Hybrid French. Some of these had some yellow in them. 'Emérence' is one example.
'Commandant Beaurepaire' has streaks and stripes of pink, rose, lilac etc.
A rose that combined coloring something like 'Commandant Beaurepaire' superimposed on the cream and yellow of 'Emérence' might come close to some of the descriptions. If we squint a bit and think happy orange thoughts.
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