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'Rose Cornet' rose Reviews & Comments
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Lacharme's own catalog, of 1873 (p. 4) lists it as 'Centfeuilles Cornet' with description (my translation) “Scent and leaves of the Centifolia, delicate pink, rounded petals"; but of even more interest is that while among the "Hybrides Remontants" there, it's under the subheading "Varieties Having Resemblance to Hybrid Chinas by their Wood and Foliage, and to Portlands by their Ovaries”.
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But, what I would really like very much to know is, does the rose labelled 'Cornet' at Sangerhausen have a recorded history that is separate from Sangerhausen.
As we know, there have been several mid-identifications from post WWII Sangerhausen. So, do we have any pre-Sangerhausen provenance?
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#1 of 9 posted
24 MAY 20 by
 jedmar
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I am afraid all the gardens and nurseries listed for Germany have a Sangerhausen connection. I will try to find out the provenance of the rose in the two French nurseries.
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That would be so helpful. Thank you. :-)
At this point, it seems to me to be clear that the rose WE know as "Grandmother's Hat" is identical to the rose Sangerhausen calls 'Cornet'.
But, after the "Irene Watts" and "Francis Dubreuil" debacles, I can't bring myself to accept the 'Cornet' identification unconditionally.
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#3 of 9 posted
24 MAY 20 by
jedmar
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Not to forget "Park's Yellow"!
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Among others . . .
You know, the late Col. Mel Hulse, of the San Jose Heritage Rose Garden, told me that there had been a WWII Tank battle fought over at least a portion of Sangerhausen. And of course, many of their records went to Russia.
So it would not be at all surprising to know that there are more mis-identifications in that great garden than we know.
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Jeri, I note that there are really only European and Australian references in the ‘Cornet’ file. Do you have any old American literature from which someone from your country could start to add references to HelpMeFind. I am currently having to pull back a little and we could REALLY do with at least two volunteer administrators/moderators from your country.
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Honestly, I don't know of any.
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#7 of 9 posted
27 MAY 20 by
jedmar
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I have one reply from France: believes it was from the Fineschi rosarium in Italy. As Fineschi did not have the rose in 2000, this doesn't help. The other introduced it 2016. So a dead-end, too.
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So we are no further ahead at all, which is sad, but non unexpected.
We can be reasonably sure that 'Cornet' from Sangerhausen and "Grandmother's Hat" from California (and may be Australia) are the same . . . but there is no real evidence that the Sangerhausen rose IS 'Cornet'. And "Grandmother's Hat" changes color at the drop of a hat, which is also confusing.
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#9 of 9 posted
28 MAY 20 by
jedmar
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In 1860, Parsons distinguishes between the HP's 'Cornet' and 'Madame Cornet'. He also gives two synonyms for 'Cornet': 'Centfeuilles Cornet' and 'Perpetual Provence'.
If there were two distinct HP roses, they were probably confused in commerce early on; just when I was thinking that 'Madame C' is pale pink and 'Cornet' is a more vivid purplish pink, along comes Rivers to describe 'Centfeuilles Cornet' as "light rose".
Or perhaps they were all the same rose, but variable in appearance, like 'Grandmother's Hat' is said to be...?
Virginia
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I have it on impecable authority that some 'Cornet' roses sold in the USA are, in fact, "Grandmothers Hat." Where the seller warrants that the roses for sale are propagated from an imported 'Cornet' plant, the probability is high that the provenance is accurate.
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