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'Rose d'Orsay' rose Reviews & Comments
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I believe that the only correct posted photos of this rose are mine and the one from Sangerhausen. I think most of the photos are from Eastern Europe. Perhaps the supplier was Petrovic Roses, which is also one of the photo sources.
Graham Stuart Thomas goes into some detail in the GST Rose Book about how he sorted out Rose D'orsay and Rose D'amour. (Not to suggest that the photos in question match Rose D'amour.) One key trait for D'orsay is the pairs of prickles below each leaf. I don't see that in any of the photos I am questioning. Peter Beales in Classic Roses says that both D'orsay and D'amour share many traits with R. virginiana, which is especially known for its glossy foliage. Most of the photos I am questioning appear to have matte foliage. D. Giroux's photo has glossy foliage but the flower is quite different.
GST's text and pencil drawings would be a helpful reference. Is it OK for copyright purposes if I scan and upload his drawings here?
Also, my rose is not once blooming but repeats throughout the season.
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I can see the foliage difference. One type has that American Briar type foliage, and the other has more European OGR type foliage.
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In your research on this rose have you run into, or can you suggest, a possibility of what R. carolina was crossed with to produce this beautiful rose?
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#3 of 10 posted
4 JUN 16 by
 Belmont
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R. virginiana has glossy foliage, as does Rose D'orsay. Perhaps that is a clue.
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Graham Thomas describes the 'd'Orsay' rose as having "somewhat leaden" leaves.
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I had to look it up, to clarify.
"lead·en
ˈledn/Submit
adjective
dull, heavy, or slow.
"his eyelids were leaden with sleep"
synonyms: sluggish, heavy, lumbering, slow, burdensome, cumbersome More
of the color of lead; dull gray.
"the snow fell from a leaden sky"
synonyms: gray, grayish, black, dark; More
archaic
made of lead.
"a leaden coffin""
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Hello. How would you account for the repeat bloom? Thank you.
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#8 of 10 posted
15 OCT 17 by
Belmont
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I don't know, but it doesn't seem so strange in light of other American species roses that rebloom, like arkansana, carolina plena and rose d'amour.
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Good point. Thank you.
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There are a few roses being grown as 'Rose d'Orsay'.
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This is the rose I believe to be the 'd'Orsay' rose, I would greatly appreciate other members comments and value their opinions. The flowers are approximately 5cm across and have a light fruity fragrance. This rose now has its own page and is temporarily know as 'Bissett Cottage Rose'.
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Your photos don't seem to match 'Rose D'Orsay.' I think I spy a curved prickle in one of the photographs, and the needle-like prickles are the type to be found on many R. carolina hybrids. Perhaps it could be R. majalis plena?
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Yes you are right it is the cinnamon rose. We gave it its own study name when I saw it flower for the first time this year (see 'Bissett Cottage Rose'), then discovered its true identity. I must say I'm not very convinced that many of the pictures on the 'd'Orsay Rose' page are actually the 'd'Orsay rose either. Thank you very much for your comment.
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Here are some pictures of the pedicel and receptacle that I hope will help identify which rose this is, the middle picture has the stipule removed.
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Wonderful photos. After private emails confirming a study name of "Bissetts Cottage Rose", I was going to suggest that I move your photos, but you have already found the file. Andrew, would you please check any botanical characteristic is correctly listed. Once the "Bissetts Cottage Rose" file has all photos, and all details listed, we can really delve deeper into just what this very old rose may be.
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Along the lane from where I live a long extinct cottage has left behind the ghost of its garden. In the hedgerow grows some purple lilac, white flowered Vinca and this rose. There is no trace whatsoever of the cottage that was abandoned by 1900 but yet despite being very shaded by over-hanging trees still this rose survives.
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Hello Andrew,
I am not sure why you have chosen d'Orsay Rose' to comment in. Your photos might be hard to find later on. Perhaps Plant Identification might have been better.
Anyway, when it flowers consider R. Virginiana which has red canes and those infrastipular prickles. Look closely as well at the red hips which are studded with tiny prickles. It is a spring only bloomer. Plants of R. virginiana were shipped from Virginia to England in 1724, making it one of the earliest North American roses known to have been cultivated in Europe.
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Thank you for your comment Patricia. I was pretty sure this rose was d'Orsay although I have yet to see it flower but have taken pictures of the old dead flowers. It does not set seed. I have Rosa virginiana in my garden which is far smaller in all parts, sets masses of hips and is much shorter and denser growing. I believed it was d'Orsay simply by elimination of everything else it wasn't. I do actually enjoy being proved wrong, maybe I should have waited to see it in flower before posting.
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No seed. Then I have been proved wrong. There is no time like the present for posting on HelpMeFind, but photos of the bloom will be interesting. Roll on spring.
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Yes! Spring is just starting now, don't worry as soon as there are flowers I'll be posting pictures, however in my neck of the woods it won't be in the spring, more like late June to July before it really gets going. The leaves are very, very similar to the picture of Rose d'Amour in the Roger Phillips and Martin Rix rose book, although my rose has prickles and the deep red line through the middle of stipules is absent. Can I just say how much pleasure it gives me reading the comments and research you guys do especially in regard to the beautiful China and Tea roses that you can grow to perfection and I can only dream of...
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