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'Gloire de la France' rose Reviews & Comments
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This rose is a pure gallica, not a centifolia neither a hybrid centifolia-gallica.
Its class should be updated following what one can see in real and according historical sources.
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1 OCT 21 by
 jedmar
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The earliest description in 1835 from Bizard's times states it is a "Hybride de Cent-Feuilles et de Provins". The question then, as very often, is, if we have the true 'Gloire de France' today.
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Hello, Jedmar, you're right to point out the authenticity of what we have in cultivation today.
My rose is absolutely thornless, prefers a mi-shadow exposure, and its flowers are those of the well known variety.
In historical references, the earliest mention as you mentionned them, described a "red" colour for the flower.
The original variety (centifolia x gallica) may have been lost long ago, thus our 'La Gloire de la France' is indeed a true gallica.
The same early mislabeling occured with the famous 'Robert le Diable'... so sad!
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This rose bush is one of my favorites, it is very beautiful. It doesn't seem to like full sun.
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I've determined that the plant I received from Pickering is actually not 'Gloire de France'. (See photo in Photos section.) Last year when I became suspicious that I might have a mislabeled plant, I purchased another 'Gloire de France' from Amity Rose & Garden Nursery. That plant bloomed this year, and it is different from Pickering's. Amity's 'Gloire de France' has the larger, fuller blooms that I was expecting and matches The Old Rosarian's photo. Another frustrating part of this mystery is that I have three plants that are supposed to be different cultivars, but seem identical in all aspects:
- 'Gloire de France (not)' from Pickering
- 'Blush Hip' from Pickering
- 'President de Seze (not)' from High Country Roses
You can see my photo of 'President de Seze (not)' at http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?i=A35227&tab=32 |
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2 SEP 07 by
Belmont
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See Blush Damask on this site---I think this is the rose.
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Moyesii.........
If this is a new rose in your garden, you have a young plant. Some roses take a few years to come into their own. Often the plant is putting energy into establishing itself rather than into making blooms. Give your rose time to grow up and you may find the large blooms you are seeking.
Smiles,
Lyn
helpmefind.com
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I have Gloire de France in my garden and Lyn is right, give this rose 3 years without pruning, and you will have flowers like the photo. Gloire de France also enlarges by stolons which means the canes put out about 3 inches of horizontal roots and then these roots put up new canes. This is not the same as a sucker. My Gloire after 8 years is now 10 feet wide.
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