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'Rosa X waitziana var. macrantha Rehd.' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 118-134
most recent 26 AUG 19 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 25 AUG 19 by Patricia Routley
What could Peter Beales have been selling as Rosa macrantha in 1982? (see refs). He lists ‘Max Graf’ separately, so it couldn’t have been that.
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Reply #1 of 7 posted 25 AUG 19 by jedmar
Patricia, do you think it was not Rosa x macrantha? Can you post his photos from the catalogue?
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Reply #2 of 7 posted 25 AUG 19 by Andrew from Dolton
This is what Beales are selling as Rosa x macrantha today. I have been thinking of getting this rose, should I'm order one from here?

https://www.classicroses.co.uk/rosa-x-macrantha-shrub-rose.html
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Reply #3 of 7 posted 25 AUG 19 by jedmar
This certainly looks like the Rosa x macrantha which in commerce everywhere, so you can go ahead. The issue seems to be that Bean in 1981 wrote that this commercialized Macrantha is not at all what was first described by Thory as R. canina var. grandiflora and later by Desportes as Rosa macrantha. We will need to add all the sources he is referring to before dividing this entry into two separate ones. I am not aware that the grandiflora/macrantha is available anywhere except in herbariums.
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Reply #4 of 7 posted 25 AUG 19 by Andrew from Dolton
That's good to know. It's not a rose I particularly like but I wanted to grow it because of its historic importance.
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Reply #5 of 7 posted 25 AUG 19 by Patricia Routley
Jedmar, I photocopied this catalogue and then returned it to its owner. Unless it was the red semi-double on the cover, (doubt it, but I will check) there was no photo of Macrantha in this, or the other three Beales catalogues I have.
It was these words from his description which worried me: “A trailing, ground cover shrub with small, single flowers of rich pink.“
HelpMeFind’s description is: 3-5’, large flowers, light pink.
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Reply #6 of 7 posted 26 AUG 19 by jedmar
Yes, doesn't sound right. The rose on his website now seems correct
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Reply #7 of 7 posted 26 AUG 19 by Patricia Routley
The red on the 1982 cover turned out to be 'James Mason'.
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Discussion id : 95-841
most recent 10 NOV 16 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 10 NOV 16 by CybeRose
The American Rose Annual, (1989) 115-118
Myrrh-Scented Roses
Dr. Robert E. Basye

In 1950, I imported Rosa x macrantha from Hillier and Sons in England. This hybrid rose was found near La Fleche, France in 1823, and later found its way into English and European gardens. It is commonly agreed that it shows the strong impress of R. gallica and, to a lesser extent, perhaps the influence of one of the Caninae roses. It is said to be a tetraploid, and this I have verified. Its tetraploidy, however, (barring an irregular meiosis) rules out the possibility that it could be a direct cross between R. gallica and one of the many Caninae roses. This follows from the fact that both male and female gametes of gallica carry 14 chromosomes, and the strange and fascinating fact that, in all the dog roses, male gametes carry only seven chromosomes while female gametes carry 21, 28 or 35 chromosomes depending on the species. The true parentage of this rose may be forever shrouded in mystery.

I also found that, though quite self-sterile, it is widely receptive to foreign pollens. Admiring its rugged health, I began making many crosses, always using macrantha as the seed parent. I was looking mainly for blackspot resistance but did not entirely neglect the flowers. I would walk down the rows in the morning, savouring the freshly-opened blooms, but I was rarely inspired enough to record a note on the fragrance.

One day, however, I came to a young seedling of macrantha x Dickson's Red. Some of you may recall that Dickson's Red, known also as Dr. F.G. Chandler, was chosen as the first AARS rose back in 1940. The perfume of this cross was strong but quite unlike that of any rose I had ever smelled. I thought to myself, here is a rose that does not smell like a rose. In the days that followed I encountered two other crosses, macrantha x Cl. Crimson Glory and macrantha x J.B. Clark, which had the same baffling aroma. I was puzzled and somewhat disappointed. Roses just weren't supposed to smell like that. I even considered consigning all three of them to the bonfire. In the months that followed, however, I finally compromised by saving only macrantha x Dickson's Red because it had the best bush of the three.

In 1962 I made some further crosses, with R. macrantha x Dickson's Red as seed parent. One of these crosses had the parentage (R. macrantha x Dickson's Red) x Prima Ballerina and bears the number 64-457. Prima Ballerina comes from Mathias Tantau and is perhaps his most fragrant rose. But now the exquisite perfumes of the two hybrid teas are completely blotted out and superseded by that strange odour so rare among roses. How should it be described, and why is it so rare?

A visitor one spring day, upon smelling 64-457, shed a gleam of light when she exclaimed, "Oh, this reminds me of anise—and also of licorice!"
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Discussion id : 33-096
most recent 15 JAN 09 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 11 JAN 09 by Patsy Cunningham
To my regret, apparently the ARS no longer recognizes Rosa macrantha as a species, it is now listed as Gallica macrantha, a species hybrid and OGR. May want to add that on the ARS line
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 12 JAN 09 by Robert Neil Rippetoe
I think it's a pity too. As you know ARS classifications historically have precedence for change which necessitates one take any new official classification with a grain of salt. The next regime may call it a species again. I'll call R. macrantha a species no matter what ARS calls it as I'm sure will most taxonomists.

If one doesn't exhibit the point is moot regardless.
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 15 JAN 09 by Cass
Thanks for the correction. Macrantha was classified as a Misc. OGR in Modern Roses 10, according to the references here.
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Discussion id : 18-968
most recent 21 MAY 07 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 21 MAY 07 by Marcialene
Is this the macrantha bloom? It is light pink to white and has 5 petals.
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