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Discussion id : 73-360
most recent 3 AUG 13 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 3 AUG 13 by goncmg
Just a moment ago was poring over my 1970 AARS Handk for Selcting Roses and saw this name and a rating of 8.4. Never heard of this rose. SHOCKED to see it is a striped sport of Signora and from what I have read here, quite possibly the same variety albeit discovered earlier as Anvil Sparks. And Anvil Sparks has some bad reviews! And it would stand to reason a striped sport from a plant originating in the 30's probably wouldn't be too disease resistant......so really agog over that 8.4 in 1970.
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Reply #1 of 4 posted 3 AUG 13 by Kim Rupert
Don't be. All it took was for one person to review it and that was the rating they reported.
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Reply #2 of 4 posted 3 AUG 13 by Patricia Routley
I 'm puzzled over a 1970 rating for a 1943 rose. But as I couldn't find much about it in the American Annuals, perhaps it didn't arrive there until a couple of decades later. I've added a few Australian references and it didn't seem all that special.
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Reply #3 of 4 posted 3 AUG 13 by goncmg
Kim, I am laughing because yep, probably one person rated it and this was way before POP/RIR "checked" this and started the "too few/no rating" deal.........but 8.4! Just give the blackspotted mess a "10" already! ..............and Kim and Patricia? I hate striped roses. From Ferdinand Pichard (which HAS to be a sport of something that nobody recorded and yes, THAT intrigues me) to Anvil Sparks and including Carless Love and Fiesta and Candy Stripe and Harry Wheatcroft and what not---"sports" are not real varieties in my mind although some are more stable than others evidently (but with Fiesta and Queen Alex was she even around 60 years ago to compare? And isn't there some demi-issue with a red/yellow 'Abracadabra' NOW with all of this?)....................I also loathe singles and just cannot understand trhe appeal of miniatures..............Dainty Bess actually ANGERS me.........I think you both know this, lol.........
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Reply #4 of 4 posted 3 AUG 13 by Kim Rupert
Stripes aren't for everyone, but they are tremendously serendipitious, which fascinates me, always has. That and moss roses, which is why Ralph Moore and Paul Barden selected the rose they did to name for me. The lack of a stated parentage is what led Ralph Moore to explore Ferdinand Pichard for stripes. Everything else said what it was a sport of, not Ferdinand. He may have been correct that it resulted from a seedling as every striped modern rose with stated parentage resulted from his seminal Little Darling X Ferdinand Pichard cross. I find no record of anyone else having created stripes "from thin air", so I would comfortably suggest that all modern stripes, if their breeding was known, could be traced back to his 1969 seedling.

Just as stripes aren't for everyone, neither are singles or minis, but they all play their part. There would be no modern stripes, modern crested hybrids, many modern species hybrids, including the garden-worthy Hulthemia hybrids, without Ralph Moore's miniatures. They have acted as bridges between stubborn types and other larger roses, carrying the desired traits from their beginnings to our gardens. Much has been accomplished because of them. Singles can have an amazing elegance to them, particularly the early, single Hybrid Teas. Cecil remains in my garden because of its elegance and ease of growth. It's one of the most satisfying yellow roses I have discovered. I wrote that nearly twenty-five years ago and continue feeling that way about it, today.

Yes, some of them are extremely unstable, but then so are a number of solid colored sports. Look at all of them out of Frisco, the florist rose which eventually generated Abracadabra, Hocus Pocus and Simsalabim. That thing has mutated constantly. It's much more unstable than Ophelia, Columbia or the Radiance clan. Yes, The Queen Alexandra and Fiesta were around half a century ago. That would have been in the sixties and early seventies, when Armstrong Nurseries still listed OGRs and older moderns in their mail order catalogs. You could buy HPs, Damasks, Centifolias, Teas, Noisettes, Chinas and all other sorts of fun things from Armstrong and other majors right from their catalogs. Many were offered as body bags and true bare roots at garden centers, too! Then, as these older roses filtered out of the majors, there was always Roses of Yesterday and Today. The middle of the Twentieth Century saw a tremendous selection of all types and vintages of roses available here in the US. It wasn't until the eighties very little (in comparison) remained available. It's been very cyclical. Every twenty-five to thirty years, selection swells then shrinks, hopefully to swell again. By the late 80s, a few years after I began to really get going with roses, the selection and number of nurseries willing to offer these roses, began another swell, peaking in the early 21st Century. We're now in the contraction again, which is painful and frightening to witness. Hopefully, in a decade or so, there will still be things remaining in gardens and enough of us who remember them, to get the expansion going again. One can only pray.
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Discussion id : 68-959
most recent 22 DEC 12 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 22 DEC 12 by Eric Timewell
JM Friera’s “Rosas de España”, Madrid 1957 p. 170 says:
Mediterranea. HT. (P. Dot, 1943)
Sport de Signora Piero Puricelli.
Rosal de vigorosa vegetación, provisto de ancho follaje verde brillante. Flor de color laca carmin con pinceladas amarillas, abierta la flor y después de unas horas al sol, el carmin pasa al rosa y el amarillo al blanco. Rosas olorosas de gran tamaño que llaman la atención por la rareza de su colorido.
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Mediterranea. HT. (P. Dot, 1943)
Sport of Signora Piero Puricelli.
Rose of vigorous growth, provided with broad, bright green foliage. Flowers are crimson lake with yellow brush strokes when they open, after a few hours in the sun turning carmine pink and the yellow turning white. Large fragrant roses that attract attention because of the rarity of their color.
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 22 DEC 12 by Nastarana
Does this sport differ significantly from Ambussfoken, AKA Anvil Sparks?

How often does it happen that a rose produces two different striped sports?
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 22 DEC 12 by Eric Timewell
I could say Mediterranea differs from Anvil Sparks by 18 years. But looking at the photos they are hard to tell apart. The stripes of both seem to turn white in sunlight. The stripes of the Budapest example of Mediterranea shown on HMF seem finer than those of Anvil Sparks, but Dot's own catalogue shows Mediterranea with some very broad stripes. Here is the catalogue reproduction from Wikimedia Commons so you can compare them.
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Discussion id : 61-615
most recent 31 JAN 12 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 31 JAN 12 by Kim Rupert
This could, perhaps, be a parallel sport to Anvil Sparks, which see.
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