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Initial post 9 JAN by odinthor
Where do the various permutations of the parentage of this rose not being directly from a cross of 'Paul's Carmine Pillar' and 'General MacArthur' but rather with an unnamed seedling being involved come from originally? Hobbies itself in its introductory advertisement states plainly, "This is a result of a cross between Carmine Pillar and General McArthur" (sic), from The Rose Annual, 1913, p. 213.
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 10 JAN by jedmar
This is a tough one to answer. This listing seems to be part of the original ones, almost twenty years ago. These were based mostly on American sources, e.g. Modern Roses. This has the parentage as "seedling of 'General MacArthur' x 'Paul's Carmine Pillar'. Where their editors got it from is unknown. You realize that the ad from Hobbies has the parents juxtaposed?
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 10 JAN by odinthor
--Or does the breeder ad get it right about the parentage?

I suspect that, with the "seedling" confusion, it's just that someone misconstrued some note stating that it was "a seedling of A x B" as "(a seedling of A) x B" rather than "a seedling of (A x B)." I seem to recall running across that kind of confusion earlier (I forget with what varieties).
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