My Madame Plantier is two years old. Last year she got ' something; on many of her small leaves. It was reddish spots that caused the leaf to fall off. It's not downy mildew as I treated her for that with Aliette. No change, but, after losing over half her leaves she wintered well and put out lots of new growth last spring and had beautiful blooms. Middle of summer the same thing happened. Lots and I mean lots of leaves with red spots with the leaves falling off. I pruned her to get rid of many of the leaves and picked off the rest that were affected. I tried Immunox but the spots, although, less, were still there. She's an Alba, supposed to be very disease resistant, but, if this keeps happening every summer she will stay at 3 feet with few leaves. Anyone have any idea what's going on with this rose? Could it be a form of black spot that shows up red on her? I am at a loss to know what to do. BTW, this rose is in the back of my yard, no other roses or plants closer than 40 feet and I fertilize her with rose tone every spring. What can these red spots be?
I cannot as of yet find sources earlier than the 1880s quoting 1835 for 'Mme. Plantier'. Rivers does not list it in 1837, but does in 1840; and Lacharme, Plantier's successor, certainly exhibits it in 1840. (Burdin lists a 'Madame Plantier', as new but otherwise undescribed, in 1838, but lists it as a Bourbon, probably thus the pink Bourbon of that name.) Where does the dating of 1835 originate for our 'Mme. Plantier'?
I can see why people would take it as Sisley stating that all of these roses mentioned in the Journal des Roses quote were from 1835; but, reading closely, with his "puis ensuite" the whole statement actually amounts to "In 1835, he released to commerce the Tea 'Eugénie Desgaches', then next [puis ensuite] the Bourbon 'Triomphe de Plantier', the Tea 'Pauline Plantier', the Hybrid Perpetual 'Reine de la Guillotière', and the Alba 'Madame Plantier'," which just means the latter four were released subsequently to 'Eugénie Desgaches'. Had he meant they all were released together in 1835, he likely would have written "en même temps."
Yes, the original text could mean any time after 1835. The translator in the Journal of Horticulture of 1879, however, must have read it as if all 5 were issued in 1835: " M. Plantier seems to have been the first to commence the pursuit, and his first Roses were sent out in 1835. He sent out five, and of these Alba, Madame Plantier, and Tea Eugène Desgaches are still known."
I have a Madame Plantier Rose that is appromixately 5' tall and has no buds. It gets full sun and I keep the soil moist. My other roses are blooming and have been since June. This rose was planted at the same time. I am stymied becases I can't figure out why it isn't blooming. I also have been fertilizing with Schultz bloom pus (10-60-10). Please could you give me a suggestion on what to do,
Mine does fine when in pretty deep shade, but its colony of PM also thrives. PM pressure here is intense, and it's probably a different strain than what most of you have, but depending on where you live, you might want to leave it in a pot at the intended location for a while, and see whether it stays healthy.
I do hope that you are destroying (best by fire) any specimens you discover with the disease. You probably know it is incurable, and contagious to other roses.
I just had this rose arrive from David Austin. In the description on HMF says its lineage is damascena x moschata, I can't see how that would make it a hybrid China rose as well as an Alba or Hybrid Noisette?
