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'Cleveland' rose Reviews & Comments
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It seems that Hugh Dickson introduced two distinct roses here: 'Cleveland' was a coppery rose color with yellow shadings, and 'H.P. Pinkerton' was a dark red or scarlet rose.
At some point between Modern Roses (1930) and Modern Roses II (1940) (when these roses may no longer have even been in commerce), someone got the idea that there were two roses named 'Cleveland'.
As far as I can tell, they got it backwards: in 1915, Dickson exhibited a coppery rose flower as 'H. P. Pinkerton', and it seems very likely that rose went on to become 'Cleveland'. One could argue there were 2 Pinkertons, but not 2 Clevelands.
Modern Roses II, by the way, tells us that 'Cleveland II' = 'Mrs. Dunlop Best', which is not even a Dickson rose. Did someone market it as an improved 'Cleveland'?
I suppose this will be another situation where HMF keeps two distinct roses in the same record because one of the roses changed names before being introduced to commerce— as with 'Mamie' and 'Mrs Conway Jones'?
My brain is tired, so please let me know if I've missed something important regarding these roses.
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21 JUN 21 by
 jedmar
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Did you see the notes to both 'Cleveland's? 'Cleveland II' was the first Cleveland, introduced as 'Cleveland', but later marketed as 'Cleveland II', after 'H.P. Pinkerton' had been renamed as 'Cleveland' = 'Cleveland I'. Quite confusing, the references had to be sorted out by the colour description. Modern Roses was incorrect in stating that 'Cleveland II' = 'Mrs. Dunlop Best' - it is only similar to it. Maybe that was the reason for the renaming of 'H.P.Pinkerton' as the original 'Cleveland' probably got mixed up in nurseries with MDB.
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I saw the note, and see no evidence in that there were ever 2 Dickson roses called 'Cleveland', or that 'Cleveland' suddenly became 'H. P. Pinkerton' in 1929.
To me, it looks like everything was straightforward (except for Mr. Dickson exhibiting 'Cleveland' in 1915 as 'H. P. Pinkerton' before either rose was introduced to commerce) until the 1930's, when somebody got very confused—and confusing.
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