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'Souvenir d'Alma de l'Aigle' rose Reviews & Comments
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Is there any actual documentation of Wohlt distributing a rose 'Isabella'? Catalogs? Advertisements? Mentions by publications of rose societies? Exhibition listings? I come up empty-handed in my seeking. For that matter, is there any mention of the rose 'Andenken an Alma de l'Aigle' under that name before the 1980s? Again I come up empty-handed.
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#1 of 10 posted
2 JUL 23 by
 jedmar
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HMF has several references from 1976-78. The issue with earlier sources from Germany is that most of these are not available digitally. You will need to contact the library of Sangerhausen or possibly Maria Mail-Brandt, who has an extensive collection of rose literature.
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#2 of 10 posted
2 JUL 23 by
odinthor
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Thanks. Let this then be a call for anyone who has seen, online or otherwise, with their own eyes, a listing or mention of any sort of 'Isabella' or 'Andenken an Alma de l'Aigle' dating from the 1950s or 1960s, to post that specific reference here with bibliographic information.
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No c1950s-1960s Australian reference to either that I can find.
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#4 of 10 posted
3 JUL 23 by
HubertG
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There's an online Ernst Wohlt catalogue from 1967 listing it under Rosa moschata and its hybrids. No description given - simply W. Kordes 1948. The other Hybrid Musks listed are Pemberton's, as well as 'Buff Beauty'.
Alte Rosen, Rosenkatalog Ernst Wohlt, Pinneberg, 1967, page 30.
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#5 of 10 posted
3 JUL 23 by
jedmar
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The scan on archive.org has only pages 1-15. Did you find another resource?
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#6 of 10 posted
3 JUL 23 by
HubertG
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No, jedmar, it's archive dot org and is the full catalogue, all 42 pages. I can't post a link but it's the only catalogue there under his name.
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#7 of 10 posted
3 JUL 23 by
jedmar
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Very curious. I am restricted to the first 15 pages.
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I can only get the first 15 pages too.
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#9 of 10 posted
4 JUL 23 by
odinthor
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The 14 page one is the one that search engines seem to be obsessed with; but after applying my usual tricks and magic I came up with the 41 page one (and bookmarked it). Since I can't post the link here (what's up with that???), I just posted it on my Facebook page, for those of you who are among my FB friends; perhaps they can distribute the link further somehow.
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#10 of 10 posted
4 JUL 23 by
jedmar
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Thank you, reference from 1967 catalogue added! (leave away the first part of the link)
Link: archive.org/details/AlteRosenRosenkatalogErnstWohltPinneberg1967/mode/2up?view=theater
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The information about Breeder/year of the rose "Andenken an Alma de L'Aigle" is definitely wrong. The rose is usually sold today as "bred by Kordes/ Wohlt, 1955". Even this information is questionable.
According to the editor's note in Alma de L'Aigles book "Ein Garten", Alma de L'Aigle herself selected the rose in the year 1956 from some of Kordes' new breedings which had already been sorted out. She insisted on the reproduction of this rose by the Wohlt nurseries in Pinneberg. Wohlt distributed it in 1958 as "Isabella" in the first, after Alma L'Aigles' death in 1959 it was renamed in "Andenken an Alma d'Aigle"
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#1 of 3 posted
24 JAN 11 by
jedmar
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All other references agree on the dates 1948 and 1955. It is quite possible that the rose Alma de l'Aigle selected was from 1948, as it takes many years until a rose is commercialized. "Ein Garten" was originally published 1948, your example must be from a later edition.
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No, my informations come from a memory of Mr. Schwerdner, who cultivated the rose for Wohlt. He remembers Alma de L'Aigle discovering the rose in 1956. She insisted in cultivating it, though Kordes claimed it not to fit their requirements. Schwerdner further remembers that they cultivated the rose in 1956. In 1957, when the first blossoms opened, he and Alma de L'Aigle named it "Isabelle". In Autumn 1958 Wohlt nurseries brought it on the market. Alma de L'Aigle died in 1959, in 1960 Schwerdner asked her sister for permission to name the rose after Alma de L'Aigle.
I posted this before - with a link to the website with this information, but it was deleated. I don't know whether it's not allowed to post direct links.
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Sorry - I didn't log in before posting it - reply No 2 is by me.
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