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'Rivers's Superb Tuscan' rose Reviews & Comments
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Can someone advise if Tuscany Superb will keep clean healthy foliage? We are organic gardeners new to roses, and planning to water spray in the morning. I have found Paul Barden's site so beautiful and informative I appreciate his perspective though I have to keep it real as we are in Michigan a windy Zone 6. Any other suggestions for part shade roses with more than just pretty flowers? I love HelpMeFind! Best, Lynn
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It came into being long before black spot was even thought of. If you scroll through all the photos, you see immaculate foliage in every photo - bearing in mind most photos were taken in spring or early summer. It might look a bit tatty later in the year but because there are no flowers then, one doesn't notice the bush.
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#2 of 10 posted
29 SEP 16 by
Amateur
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Thank you Patricia. I am on the right path, then. Happy planting
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I think you will find that Diplocarpon rosae came into being well before Tuscany Superb. ;)
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#4 of 10 posted
29 SEP 16 by
Amateur
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there is no result from the search, "Diplocarpon rosae". Another clue, please.
I Googled it. it's the fungus. I admit I am unable to frame your response, though.
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Don't worry. I was just teasing Patricia.
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Grin. You are quite right Give me caffeine. It is wonderful how we live and learn. I had the idea that Black spot came with R. foetida Persiana and the pernetianas in the late 1800s. But Kenneth Horst Compendium of Rose Diseases p8. tells me the disease was first reported in Sweden in 1815 and in France, Belgium, Germany, England, and The Netherlands by 1844.
Thomas Rivers bred Tuscany Superb before 1837 so it might just..... have come along with no susceptibility to black spot in its make-up. (I get the idea I am talking through my hat here - so give me a cup of coffee and I'll shut up!)
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Given that it has a known host in at least one wild species (R. foetida) I suspect the fungus has been around for thousands of years, and that it just wasn't noticed in gardens before the 1800's. Presumably because the roses they were growing back then weren't hosts.
Are there any records of R. foetida before 1800? That would be the way to tell.
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#8 of 10 posted
1 MAY 17 by
Gdisaz10
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In my garden this rose is susceptible to rust
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The original 'Tuscany' in my opinion is a better rose, but that gets blackspot too.
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I don't know what the disease is or if it is some physiological problem, but Tuscany Superb gets some of the most artfully awful foliage I've ever seen later in the summer here in northern Minnesota. I might be able to find a pic.
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16 JUN 09 by
Lora
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I love the look of this rose, but I was disappointed with its total lack of fragrance. I knew it wasn't going to be a knock-you-over scent, but I smelled absolutely nothing from it this year. It's a new rose to my garden though, so I'm hoping it gets at least something by next year. Still a beautiful flower and a very healthy bush. A keeper even without fragrance, which is usually my first priority.
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Almost as glorious as its mom, "Tuscany". Only thing that's less good is you don't see the beautiful boss of golden-yellow stamens as well.
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Thanks for sharing your experience.
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28 AUG 07 by
Ananto
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I grow Tuscany and Tuscany superb in heavy soil and an open garden with full sun. It grows fast and blooms great. I'm very fond of the flowers which have a unique colour, but no fragrance in my experience. It tends to sucker a bit, not as much as President de Seize of Charles the Mills. The plant is pretty well behaved, without too much extreme canes hanging over. Since I also grow vegetables in my garden, I need to confine my roses to their designed space. This one is one of the more managable Gallica's. I'm still experimenting with pruning, in early spring of after blooming. Last year In left them unpruned in spring and I got pretty log canes in June. Next season (Spring 2008) I wil prune early and see how that works out. This rose is strong and healthy so experimenting won't hurt it. By the way: I see no difference between Tuscany and Tuscany superb. Both are superb!
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