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'Raymond Privat' rose Reviews & Comments
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Is overall plant size the only difference between 'Baby Faraux' and 'Raymond Privat'? How would you go about differentiating the two if you had only young, small plants? Normally I would just wait and see... at the moment, however, I have sown quite a large number of OP seeds from my 3 plants and so far, it looks like every one has come up and is growing strongly so I am keen to try and ID the parent more precisely. The description says the fragrance of 'Raymond Privat' is unpleasant. How so? How would I go about finding whether both of these roses (i.e. 'Raymond Privat' and "Baby Faraux') have ever been imported into Australia... that might help me narrow down the options some ;) The photo below shows the flowers and buds of my plant. So far, the stems are quite smooth (i.e not glandula or thorny) though this may change with age.
EDIT: so far I have found no reference to 'Raymond Privat' being in Australia. Is it possible that the rose we have here known as 'Baby Faraux' is actually 'Raymond Privat'?
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Hello Simon,
Cass’ picture of ‘Raymond Privat’ says her plant is 107 centimetres high. I did see this particular plant in 2005 and the flowers impressed me as being much larger than my ‘Baby Faurax’, say about the size of a ‘Blush Noisette’ flower. My three own-rooted plants of ‘Baby Faurax after nine years are all about 15 centimetres high – and, sorry I just can’t get down that low any more to smell perfume. I did walk out this morning and felt the stems and they are thornless, although one new young cane had produced two sharp thorns. Kate Cox also had a seedling of ‘Baby Faurax’, ‘Kate’s Rose’, and Peter Cox says of that “no fragrance, 50 centimetres high”.
I have had a search of my rose literature and can find no reference of ‘Raymond Privat’ entering Australia. From your picture, my opinion is that your parent rose is ‘Baby Faurax’.
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Thanks Patricia,
When I bought these little roses they were labelled only as 'Magenta Miniature Rose'. They had some mature ones on display (the source of the propagating material) and I knew it was a polyantha of some kind. The original plants were about 40-50cm tall. One tube had flowers (the ones shown here) and the perfume was quite noticeable. It was a warm day and the inside of the car was even warmer and this must have made the scent stronger because it filled the car, making it almost unpleasantly strong (though the perfume itself was a pleasant fruity smell... it was the concentration that was unpleasant). The nursery is a small family operated one near here called 'The Big Pot' so I will contact them as well to see if they actually know the ID or not too. The seedlings are some of the healthiest I've ever seen.
EDIT: Patricia, I did as you did today and went out to run my hand through the little plant above... and now I'm wishing I didn't! It is pretty well armed with small, slim, sharp thorns. The others were like that too... so it seems a pretty consistent trait in this plant... There are some photos here on HMF that show it as well armed with thorns and the description here says it can grow to 30-60cm which fits the appearance of the rose on display at the nursery. I've emailed the nursery to see if they can help as well.
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Hello Simon,
I have just read a delightful 2009 book by Derelie Cherry called Two Dogs and a Garden. On page 156-157 the author writes: ....On our first visit to this garden [Roseraie du Val-de-Marne], Bob made an exciting discovery. We had recently bought a rose from Benefield's Rose Farm at Halfway Creek near Grafton. It had been given to Pat Benefield and as he was unable to identify it, we just called it Grafton Pink. Walking around the paths between all the beds in this amazing French rose garden, I saw Bob seriously examining one polyantha rose. It was 'Raymond Privat', which was released in 1935. Identified as a mauve colour, it had exactly the same growth habit and flower as our Grafton Pink. Except that our rose was more mauve fading into pink shades, which could be explained by it being washed out by our harsher sun. The best thing about this rose is that it flowers all year round.
There is a pale pink picture on p156 and so it appears that yes, 'Raymond Privat' did manage to get to Australia.
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Hmmmm.... lately I've acquired 'Sweet Chariot' and am growing this unknown rose next to SC and I am struggling to tell the difference. I'm beginning to think this unknown mauvey fragrant rose is SC instead.
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Somewhat late reply: when I was trying to obtain Baby Faurax, the nurseries which listed it in SA, Vic & NSW all told me that it was hard to propagate and they didn't have any available. Patricia can strike it from cuttings, but for me it was very slow and fragile. So I think you're likely to be right in suspecting that your mauve mini is Sweet Chariot, which gives plenty of cutting material.
Sweet Chariot sets lots of little red hips.
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