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Discussion id : 95-831
most recent 29 MAY 19 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 10 NOV 16 by Diana B
Does anyone happen to know who Elise Sauvage was, that she should have such a lovely rose named for her? Thanks!
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Reply #1 of 5 posted 21 MAY 19 by Ms.Lefty
Rose-biblio durchsuchen says that in the great rose-growing Vibert family there was at the time of breeding this rose an Eliza Vibert, b. Sauvage. This information came from Annales de Flore et de Pomone, Journal of jardins et des champs, 1841, page 15.
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Reply #2 of 5 posted 21 MAY 19 by Diana B
Thank you so much!
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Reply #3 of 5 posted 21 MAY 19 by jedmar
I wonder. The reference in the Annales relates to the rose 'Éliza Sauvage'. The information on an Eliza Sauvage married to a Jean Vibert comes from a Vibert family tree of Guernsey, which is a different one than our Jean-Pierre Vibert. The Eliza Sauvage mentioned and pictured married a Jean Vibert who was born in 1828. This means that she was at best around 10 years old when Miellez introduced the rose. We must still find an older Eliza Sauvage from the right region (Lille).
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Reply #4 of 5 posted 29 MAY 19 by Ms.Lefty
Jedmar - I checked the reference again, and you're correct - wrong Vibert family! Is it possible that "Sauvage" wasn't the lady's surname, but was used as an adjective, i.e., "Wilde Elise?" But why would one give a name like that to such a refined rose?
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Reply #5 of 5 posted 29 MAY 19 by jedmar
No, I think it was a family name. The name Sauvage (also Sauvageau, Sauvageot, Sauvageon) is well-spread especially in Northern France, but also as Savage in England. A statistic I found says that there are 26'750 Savages in the UK! There are living Elise or Eliza Sauvages today.
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Discussion id : 64-670
most recent 29 MAY 12 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 29 MAY 12 by John Hook
The 'buy from' and 'Gardens' have references to this rose, not the actual plant
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