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'Thornless Rose' Reviews & Comments
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Best Rose Guide by Phillips & Rix pg. 115 lists synonyms for Zephirine Drouhin as the following:
'Belle Dijonnaise', 'Ingegnoli Prediletta', and 'Mme Gustave Bonnet'
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5 FEB by
 jedmar
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We have listed 'Charles Bonnet' as a synonym. 'Mme Gustave Bonnet' is white and definitely not a synonym. The other two are questionable.
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I've had this rose for 8 years. The buds are the most gorgeous perfect pointed rosebuds. They are never flat.
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10 DEC by
Lee H.
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Do you get much repeat from yours? I don’t, and that’s the only reason I can’t really fall in love with her.
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Not a ton, but that might be my fault for not fertilizing again to prompt another flush. I have never had a big second flush. The first is stunning!
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11 DEC by
Lee H.
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Bug_girl, the description of flat-topped buds came from merging a foundling rose, “Davies Sleep Out Rose” with Zephirine Drouhin. As the petals start to unfold, I did notice they seemed to be all at the same level. (See my photo uploaded 16 Oct 20.) However, I agree that this description of flat topped buds might be a bit confusing and have deleted it.
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Thank you for the update
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I saw this rose at Peta's garden in April 2019 in full bloom and think it looks like Manou Meilland
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Many thanks for that possible identification Judy. At this stage ‘Manou Meilland’ bred before 1977 seems too modern (and too double), (later edit - and too short) but I will certainly keep ‘Manou Meilland’ in mind when my bush blooms this spring. When my own-root bush settles down, it may produce more petals.
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Judy, I suspect this rose is ‘Zephirine Drouhin’.
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Looks like the right unsubtle colour.
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The rose I saw flowering at Peta Zadow's garden 2 years ago was a much large, looser bloom than Zepherine Drouhin with translucence in the petals , slight yellow/peach at the base of the petals. My Zepherine Drouhin is a solid colour deep rose carmine.
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Just to double check….. do you know of "Sunshine House Pink HT" which has been thought to be ‘Red Radiance’. There is a HelpMeFind file for this rose. As I recall, it was on the west side of Peta’s side steps, with the creamy ‘Mrs. Harold Brocklebank’ on the east side of the steps.
I am growing “Sunshine House Pink HT” (possibly ‘Red Radiance’) not too far from the “Davies Sleep Out Rose” (possibly Zephirine Drouhin’).
I have read the references for Zephirine Drouhin’ and the very dilated stipules (1895), large foliage (1899), base white (1993) and reddish tinge of young leaves (1996) all seem to indicate that the “Davies Sleep Out Rose” might well be ‘Zephirine Drouhin’.
However, there is one puzzling reference (1896, page 6) that the “buds are long stalked”.
If anybody can offer insight on what the “Davies Sleep Out Rose” may be, I would be grateful.
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I am absolutely sure Davie's Sleep Out Rose is Zepherine Drouhin - it is the same in every way to the rose I am familiar with. The buds are long and pointed and possibly in an environment where the plant gets more rain the bud stems would be longer. Here where our average rainfall is around 300mm the bud stems are shorter. In the heat of summer the flowers fade out to pale pink/white very quickly. New canes are gold to red and the new growth is distinctly red. NO PRICKLES!!
There is another rose which grows around the Kojonup to Mount Barker region of a similar colour but I am convinced it is a Hybrid Perpetual (unnamed)
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Good. I am glad you are sure. I am too and have merged “ Davies Sleep Out Rose” wth ‘Zephirine Drouhin’.
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6 JUN 21 by
Lesky
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I'm in US 5b/6a, and have a five-year-old plant of Zephirine Drouhin that has always consistently bloomed with the typical intense cerise color--major spring bloom with spotty rebloom through the summer. This spring I have been amazed at what has happened with my plant. It is sporting all over the place, not just with the candy pink 'Kathleen Harrop' looking sport, but with the much lighter 'Martha' looking sport, some mottled blooms, and some blooms that are darker than KH but lighter than ZD. And there are numerous sports all over the plant! I can't find any information on whether this is typical of ZD when she sends out sports, or if it is unusual for there to be so many at one time? Does anyone have an idea about that?
I'm including a couple photos-one when the blooms were budding, and one since they have opened.
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A mottled sport of ZD sounds very interesting indeed. I live in a 5b location nd always supposed I couldn't grow ZD, though I love her dearly, and KH as well.
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