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'Professeur Ganiviat' rose Reviews & Comments
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When we were researching Teas for the Tea rose book, we came to the conclusion that the misnamed rose in commerce as Princesse de Sagan (also sold by some nurseries under the name Archiduc Charles) was likely to be Professeur Ganiviat. We based this on its close match with early descriptions and its resemblance to contemporary photos of what was said to be Professeur Ganiviat. Since this time, one of the members of the Tea rose group was contacted by a person who saw the rose (labelled Princesse de Sagan) in a public garden and instantly recognised it as a rose that had been grown within her family for the better part of a century. They had known the rose as "Professor Ganarvard" or something like that - the family were never absolutely certain of the spelling. Family lore had it that our correspondent's mother must have been given the rose by a professor at a Sydney university. The important thing is that it grew to a huge size and always seemed to be in flower and that cuttings of it always went with her when she moved to other towns. After seeing this family rose labelled Princesse de Sagan, our correspondent did some on-line research and read that it was thought to be Professeur Ganiviat. She wrote "Maybe this is where we became mistaken. It was the name of the rose not the person who gave it to her." It is wonderful when information like this comes to light. It's a reminder of the special connections and history that a rose can gather over time. And when roses are especially long-lived, the connections can extend over several generations of a family.
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7 DEC 22 by
HubertG
That's certainly some pretty convincing evidence.
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The somewhat squarish and irregular shape of the blooms, especially evident in Karl Rand's photograph of 5 Jan 14, reminds me very much of the form of 'General Gallieni', which leads me to wonder whether this rose could possibly be the real 'Souvenir de Therese Levet', one of the parents of 'General Gallieni'. Also, there is a very marked golden flush showing in the photo of the exhibition blooms. 'Souvenir de Therese Levet' is regularly described as having a golden base or ground. Additionally, the petals are what I'd called "shaded", again a description that appears regularly in early references. Seems to make a decent size bush too. Just some idle musing.
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1 MAY 09 by
Cass
Has anyone compared Prof. Ganiviat to the rose in commerce in the USA as Archduke Charles? As a young plant, the rose in commerce as Archduke Charles was vaguely credible as a china, primarily because of the scent of the blooms, which is like cherry candy. The blooms color is very distinct: lighter at the center, with lovely deeper red outer petals, the whole bloom aging to deep carmine red. Here's a one in a thousand: http://rosefog.us/TemporaryImages/ArchdukeCharlesIdealized.jpg
But this spring it shot up a stout, thick, five foot/ 1.5m basal topped by a typical Tea inflorescence. It's armed with red prickles on new wood. In old cemeteries, it is very upright. I posted a huge image of that basal which, because it's so large, shows the shape of the buds and inflorescence (I planted the rose too close to Lavender Dream, which is the other foliage you see in this image.): http://rosefog.us/TemporaryImages/ArchdukeCharlesNewBasalHuge.jpg
The leaflets are rounded, shiny, leathery and large - - one is almost 4 inches/10cm - - and rather modern looking.
I've confirmed that Professeur Ganiviat was introduced into commerce in the USA in 1891.
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This seems to be the same rose that has been called Princesse de Sagan in Australia for some time. I have seen very old plants growing in the Kew Cemetery in Melbourne, where it has grown to well over 6 feet in height, and about the same in width. One was cut down quite hard last season, but the plant responded surprisingly well, and bloomed exceptionally in late autumn. The leathery foliage looks as if survives our occasional scorching days in summer without trouble. The flowers last well when cut. It also strikes well from cuttings, so all in all seems a very desirable rose. I can't see how it has been called a China rose.
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Yes I ha e noticed that confusion over names too.Both are exceptjo ally beautifully roses and are on the opposite ends of the red spectrum.They deserve to grown and known by their real names.
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