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'Morning Mist' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 43-169
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Initial post 15 MAR 10 by Don H
The July 8, 1956 edition of The Saint Petersburg Times reported that the parentage of Sterling Silver was "a cross between the well known hybrid tea rose, Peace, and a grey blue-lavender rose called Morning Mist".

news.google.com/newspapers?nid=888&dat=19560708&id=n9ANAAAAIBAJ&sjid=M3YDAAAAIBAJ&pg=5601,3780064
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Reply #1 of 7 posted 15 MAR 10 by jedmar
Great reference!
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Reply #2 of 7 posted 15 MAR 10 by Don H
Thanks. Maybe you could add it to the lineage for Sterling Silver?
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Reply #3 of 7 posted 16 MAR 10 by jedmar
Done!
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Reply #4 of 7 posted 17 JAN 12 by Kim Rupert
The patent for Sterling Silver states ""The male parent was the variety Peace and an unnamed seedling as the female parent - the latter coming from a strain similar to Morning Mist." Therefore, the seed parent is NOT Morning Mist, but a related seedling." So, while Peace was involved, the other parent was, per the breeder's official claim, a possibly related seedling to Morning Mist, instead of Morning Mist itself.
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Reply #6 of 7 posted 17 JAN 12 by Don H
Gladys FIsher's patent for Morning Mist says it was "a self pollinated seedling from one of my own unnamed seedlings" adding to murkiness.

Others have expressed doubts about the male parentage of Sterling Silver as well, pointing out to Peace as being a convenient sire for marketing purposes.

Perhaps the answers lay in the Conard Pyle archives at the University of Delaware. Those were the days of paper correspondence so there is a good chance of finding letters from Gladys.

www.lib.udel.edu/ud/spec/findaids/conard.htm
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Reply #7 of 7 posted 20 APR 20 by Michael Garhart
My personal opinion is that it is a seedling of Peace.

https://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.122337

You can see Peace-like new growth in that photo, but also S.Silver has broader petals and decent form, which was rather difficult to get from most lineages at that time without using Peace. Also, Peace provides color disambiguation that silvery mauve often requires to be present.

The other half is obviously the mystery meat. I think its from an early pelargonidin types for several reasons. First, its a shorter rose than most HT. This happened in many early HT (Ophelia types, for example), but not as commonly during the 50s. Although this can be partially blamed on weak vigor due to selection bias of a rare color, it seems unlikely in this case, because the internode relativity seems to contradict such an idea. So it was probably both short and weak, rather than simply weak. I believed a dwarf variety is the culprit, such as those found in many early floribundas carrying pelargonidin. Second, the timing is perfect for the when such unusual silvery mauve colors were truly possible from these early pelargonidin types. Orangeade, as an example, has an extensive history with silvery mauves. 'Lavender Delight' is a prime example. Orange Sweetheart, for example, was introduced during the timeline when Morning Mist (a possible relation or sister) was being conceived. Last, to me it looks like the parentage of Morning Mist was deliberately concealed to hide the rose responsible for the color shift, only offering the idea that it was bred from roses that could typically make a florist rose at the time. Yet, the petal count and flower size is more like that of an early flori or flori hybrid.

If I had to guess, I would guess 'Fashion' was involved. I would guess a red florist rose derived from the roses she had listed and Fashion, and that the result was an odd-toned darker mauve.

I would also hazard a guess that 'Morning Mist' is a self of this unknown seedling, and that when she realized the outdoor vigor was even worse than the florist rose it was bred from, she crossed it with 'Peace' and got a silvery, better formed rendition.

Well, anyway, thats my best guess with how much little information is available.
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Reply #8 of 7 posted 20 APR 20 by Kim Rupert
Thanks, Michael. That is a very interesting and plausible supposition.
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Discussion id : 69-627
most recent 24 JAN 13 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 24 JAN 13 by Don H
Encyclopedia of Rose Science edited by Thomas Debener, Serge Gudin

books.google.com/books?id=yizJK-4wJYsC&pg=PT3124&lpg=PT3124&dq=%22morning+mist%22++fisher+rose&source=bl&ots=BTUxo_e0za&sig=SeylMjpKCGiE7oETmyVKIXhjnd4&hl=en&sa=X&ei=_rkAUY-WBMHL0AHc1YC4BQ&ved=0CDgQ6AEwAg

Morning Mist - HT, m, 1950; flowers lavender tinted gray, semi-dbl,=., 15-20 petals, 3.5 in., exhibition form, moderate fragrance; moderately vigorous, upright growth; Fisher,G.; Arnold-Fisher Co
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