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'Kiftsgate Violett' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 42-939
most recent 18 JAN 21 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 5 MAR 10 by wernersen
I germinated 24 open pollinated seedlings of which 2 flowered after about 2 months. This indicates a rate of repeat flowering seedlings of about 1:12 in open pollinated seedlings of Kiftsgate Violette. This indicates that more than one recessive/dominat gene is involved in the inheritance of repeat flowering.
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 18 JAN 21 by StefanDC
Although this is an old post, I just wanted to say that the conclusion reached seems incorrect--more than one recessive/dominant gene is not necessary in the seed parent to give that ratio of remontant seedlings. Since the seedlings arose from open pollination, there was no control over the source(s) of the pollen, so you do not know how many pollen parents were involved. All seedlings resulting from the pollen of a homozygous once-bloomer (containing only the allele that causes once-flowering) would themselves be once-flowering. As such, it is more likely that your plant was pollinated by at least one rose that is homozygous for once-flowering behavior (if diploid) in addition to at least one rose that is not. Because the seed parent is most likely diploid, it is probable that the offspring of any controlled crosses of this variety with a repeat-blooming rose would have been about one-half repeat-blooming. A 1:12 ratio of remontant seedlings could be explained if up to around 4 in 24 ovules were pollinated by homozygous repeat-blooming varieties (since about 1/2 of their resulting seedlings, or 2 in 24, would be expected to be homozygous for repeat bloom), or that up to 8 in 12 ovules could have been pollinated by varieties that were heterozygous for flowering behavior (of which only 1/4 of resulting seedlings, again 2 in 24 overall, might be expected to be remontant). The remainder could then have been pollinated by varieties that were homozygous for non-remontant flowering to give the final ratio.

To find out whether there are really multiple genes involved (although there is much evidence to suggest that is not the case with diploid roses in sections Synstylae and Indicae), you would need to employ careful emasculation and deliberately pollinate with pollen from a single variety that could give a clear answer.
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Discussion id : 61-854
most recent 17 NOV 15 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 9 FEB 12 by Lens Roses ®
Kiftsgate Violett is the wrong name for Dentelle de Bruxelles, which is a cross from Kiftsgate x Violet hood.
The rose is planted in the garden of Sangerhausen with the name Kiftsgate x Violet hood,
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 9 FEB 12 by HMF Admin
Thank you. Just to confirm, you're saying Dentelle de Bruxelles and our listing for Kiftsgate Violett are the same rose.
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 17 NOV 15 by Patricia Routley
3-4 years down the track, I am sure Lens Roses were saying just that. We'll merge the files if nobody has any objections.
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