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'Conquête de Jacques' rose Reviews & Comments
most recent 23 FEB 16  
Initial post 11 SEP 15 by scvirginia
The earliest references for this rose all call it a Hybrid China or Bengal, not a Noisette. A few later references call it a Noisette. Possibly there was a Noisette of the same name, or maybe just a difference in opinion about how the same rose should be classed?

I think the description page should say this is a Hybrid China; I don't know if the rose described as a Noisette is the same, but a tricky bit is that the earliest references say 'Violet sans Aiguillons' has a uniformly deep violet bloom. while a few other references describe a violet rose that has a crimson center (at least when the bloom first opens).

Also, just to confuse things further, the 1861 German reference is the only one to describe this as a climbing rose, but it doesn't class the rose as a Hybrid China or a Noisette.

Any thoughts?
Virginia
Reply #1 posted 13 SEP 15 by jedmar
Agreed. All the contemporary sources state that this is a hybrid china of uniform (dark) violet colour. Only Singer in 1885, who probably hasn't seen this rose in natura, and later authors claim it is a purple/crimson noisette.
Reply #2 posted 13 SEP 15 by scvirginia
Thanks very much.

I wonder if the 'habit' section on the description page should say 'climbing'?

Thanks again,
Virginia
Reply #3 posted 13 SEP 15 by jedmar
I am not sure,there is only this one reference which states climber. It is possibly a shrub which can be trained as a climber, but as it is lost, it does not make much sense to add that.
Reply #4 posted 13 SEP 15 by Patricia Routley
But what if it is not? It is highly likely that an 1828 rose is long gone, but I think Virginia might be considering 'Violet sans Aiguillons' for "Matchmaker"
Reply #5 posted 23 FEB 16 by ronymaxwell
I've always understood that any shrub rose will grow as a climber if supported.