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"Bishop's Lodge Riverina Sunset" rose Reviews & Comments
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"Bishop's Lodge Riverina Sunset" never ceases to amaze me when I suddenly look around and see a very dark pink bloom, so unlike the normal pale pink that it produces in this cool climate. We have recently had some hot weather and I note this rose also produced a dark pink bloom here at basically the same time last year. I see a strong resemblance to Gary Tronc's picture and it was thought that his rose was maybe mislabeled or a sport. I now think it certainly is "Riverina Sunset" and this rose goes dark in hot weather. Gary lives in Queensland which is a lot hotter than Northcliffe, WA. Wouldn't it be great to see pictures of it growing in Hay, NSW where it was found. Hay can get hot, I believe. This darkening in hot weather should be a useful identification clue.
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Re: "Bishop's Lodge Riverina Sunset" Class - Tea
This rose appears to be a hybrid tea, not a tea, to me.
I have put some photos in the file, including one of a sport, or reversion ? which I had never seen before. I have also included a picture of the normal bloom and I have often been struck by the huge shell-like (hollow?) petals of this rose. I have thought of the words "water lily" as well when I have been looking at this beautiful thing.
Some names I have been considering for this rose have been 'Mrs. Edward Mawley' 1903 (but that is a tea and the colour in the literature is a little too strong for my rose);
'Admiral Dewey' (the picture in Helpmefind is not consistent with my rose);
'Lady Beatty', 1918 is said to have shell-like petals.
and 'Gustav Grunerwald' 1903 is my best bet.
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#1 of 5 posted
25 DEC 08 by
cree
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Hi Patricia
I had read your post some time ago. Thought you might want to see this.
Gary Tronc from QLD sent me this photo of BL Riverina Sunset. He states he got the rose from MD and that the plant only has this colour bloom, no soft pink blooms. I will add the photo (with Gary's permission) and then can remove it if that would be right.
Cree
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Hello Cree,
Goodness, that is different isn't it? I have no idea who MD is or if it is a correctly named plant, or if it is the nature of this rose to produce differently coloured flowers now and then. I am reminded of that one dark pink bloom my plant put out a year or so ago (and which I have never seen since). The earlier references say "watercolour pink" and I could call the majority of my blooms just that - it is a vague colour description, but I know what they mean. I love this rose so much that I have struck another plant and put it in a sunnier place. The first buds are just showing colour and I will try and remember to take photos and put them here.
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#3 of 5 posted
26 DEC 08 by
cree
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Thanks Patricia.
I have added to the photo comments that this may be a mislabeled plant or a sport. I'll leave the pic up if that is ok.
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Cree, I've just put pictures of my new young plant of "Bishop's Lodge Riverina Sunset" in the photos. The blooms are consistent with "watercolour pink".
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#5 of 5 posted
3 JAN 09 by
cree
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Yes, and just like mine. I have a wind tattered bloom on my baby plant right now, but will wait for a nicer looking bloom to post.
Did you see the pic of my first bloom on BL Ah Mow, what a beauty!
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2008, September 17. Correspondence from the ‘Gustav Grunerwald’ file.
Re: Habit: Thornless (or almost)
Whilst noting the 1901 reference [smooth wood, few prickles] reference, I believe this rose may have had prickles because:
(a) the 1905 [thorns] reference and
(b) Brent Dickerson’s ‘The Old Rose Advisor’ [prickly] plate 265; and
(c) his [prickly] plate 240 of a {grand]parent ‘Mme. Caroline Testout’
Does anyone have any more early references or pictures, which talk of, or show the wood and thorns? The more I type on this rose, the more I believe the “Bishop’s Lodge Riverina Sunset” could well be ‘Gustav Grunerwald’. And the more I type, the more Alister Clark is pleading in my ear to save and recognise the parent of his ‘Sunny South’. – Patricia
I found a black & white drawing in Robert Betten's "Die Rose". Unfortunately, my scanner is still striking. However, there are definitely prickles shown on the stem, in average about one per leaf. Apparently, this counted as "few prickles". The prickles are slightly hooked, with a wider base, but not as prominent as those on 'Bishop's Lodge Riverina Sunset'. The leaves have 5 leaflets, the stipules longish ears and the sepals are long and foliaceous – Jedmar.
Scanners. Pffft. For a while I completely lost control of mine and it just sat there poking its tray tongue at me. Gardeners are not really compatible with technology, but we try, we try. If I had aimed the camera properly, I would have included the sepals in one of my pictures of “Bishop’s Lodge Riverina Sunset” What we need in that file is more distinguishing feature pictures from other Aussies this season. (and I’ll put a copy of this correspondence in that file). - Patricia
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