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"Enfant trouvé" rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 119-050
most recent 8 DEC 19 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 8 NOV 19 by CybeRose
I seem to be missing something. 'Belle de Bordeaux' is described as white with lilac reverse. 'Enfant trouvé' is yellow, like 'Augusta'.
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 9 NOV 19 by Patricia Routley
I am missing the same thing, but it seems Leon Chenault in 1898 was the first to call the pink, Enfant Trouve.

It seems the yellow Introduced by Cant was a foundling and I think we should add the double quotes to “Enfant Trouve”. It apparently was not ‘Aurora’, but may be
Elisa Sauvage’ 1838 or
‘Augusta’ syn Solfatare’ 1843

From my screen it seems the 1898, 1899, 1936 and 1994 references should be moved out and into Lartay’s pink ‘Belle de Bordeaux’ 1861 file. At this stage I have no idea what Bernède had to do with it.
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 8 DEC 19 by jedmar
The references for the pink rose are moved to 'Enfant Trouvé (syn. 'Belle de Bordeaux'). I believe Léon Chénault was in error in 1898 when citing this synonym.
Regarding Bernède, there is an article in Journal des Roses of 1883 mentioning that 'Belle de Bordeaux' was bred by him in 1852. Later we have 'Gloire de Bordeaux' by Lartay in 1861. Joseph Schwartz says in 1882 that BdB was rebaptised as GdB. Possibly. Lartay was apparently not a great breeder of Teas. We need more Information on both breeders to make a judgment.
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Discussion id : 112-082
most recent 10 JUL 18 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 10 JUL 18 by CybeRose
Could this have been 'Augusta' rather than 'Aurora'. The illustration shows the terminal leaflet with a pair of small "stipules", which is an unusual trait found on 'Augusta'.

The Horticulturist and Journal of Rural Art and Rural Taste, 4(3): 147-148 (Sept 1849)
A. Fahnestock
re: Augusta
The roses bloom at the termination of the first growth of the winter buds, and were in clusters of three and four upon the branches sent me. I send you one of the largest leaves upon this season's growth; the terminal leaves [leaflets] all have two small leaves (or stipules) at the base, which neither Lamarque, Solfaterre nor Chromatella possesses.

Cant carried 'Augusta' in 1855. Could he have forgotten it so soon? (He did, of course, forget 'Aurora'.)

Gardeners Chronicle & New Horticulturist, 15: 170 (Mar 17, 1855)
New Roses (Adv.)
BENJAMIN R. CANT begs to offer strong Dwarf Plants, in pots, of the following NEW ROSES:—
Nois. Augusta
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