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'Ruby Gold' rose Reviews & Comments
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I found the 1894 reference of interest. Taking a chronological look at three roses:
1874 'Jean Ducher' bred
1879 The Garden published its illustration of 'Jean Ducher' showing a prickly yellow rose.
1888 'G.Nabonnand' bred which was a creamy pink rose.
1891 'Ruby Gold' appeared
1894 'Ruby Gold' denounced as being 'Jean Ducher' reintroduced.
Despite the fact that 'G. Nabonnand' was for many years known as 'Jean Ducher', I presume that 'Ruby Gold' was being compared to the original 1874 'Jean Ducher'.
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#1 of 6 posted
7 APR 18 by
 HubertG
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i found this from the 1893 Maule's seed cataolgue, page 109.
"RUBY GOLD. This new variety is a cross between Catherine Mermet and Marechal Niel, yet it shows no tendency to climb. The color of the flowers distinctly shows the yellow of M. Niel with the rich pink of C. Mermet, each petal interlaced with clear red veins. It's beautiful colorings alone suggested the name to the originator."
Interesting that it states it is a cross rather than a sport. The cross makes more sense to me rather than the description of it being a sport from C. Mermet grafted onto a M.Niel.
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Thanks HubertG. Reference added.
It would be good to know the (U.K.?) author of the 1894 reference.
The prickly yellow 'Jean Ducher' and the thornless peachy ''G. Nabonnand' are messing my thoughts up and I can't see the wood for the rose trees this morning.
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#3 of 6 posted
8 APR 18 by
HubertG
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I can't find a particular author for that 1894 comment. The original reference seems to be from 1892 written by simply "R", so presumably Robinson, the editor.
My take on it is that the 'synonymous' roses are really ones that are too similar for exhibition purposes. I don't think he's claiming that Ruby Gold is really Jean Ducher sneakily reintroduced under another name. I think he's just using a figurative expression, but I could be wrong. It's interesting that Ruby Gold is described as having clearly defined red veining, which is also something that distinctly shows up on the 1893 'Garden Illustrated' photo of Jean Ducher.
I think that G. Nabonnand has nothing to do with Jean Ducher apart from being G. Nabonnand being incorrectly identified as J Ducher in New Zealand, and that error spread. There is certainly no veining on G. Nabonnand or Peace.
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Yes. I can see clearly now....(she sings). I certainly had that impression in my initial comment: "I presume that 'Ruby Gold' was being compared to the original 1874 'Jean Ducher'."
Thanks HubertG.
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It's Foster-Melliar, Book of the Rose, who is stating that "'Ruby Gold', a Rose sent out from America, appears to be identical with 'Jean Ducher'."
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Thank you Brent. You can’t get better than Foster-Melliar and George Paul. If it wasn’t for that dastardly 1893 reference, I would merge ‘Ruby Gold’ with ‘Jean Ducher’ like a shot.
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