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'Rosa multiflora var. multiflora' rose Reviews & Comments
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I think I have the introduction of Rosa multiflora into France sorted out.
Cast of characters in the Rosa thyrsiflora drama
André Leroy — Well-known nurseryman, Angers, France. Received seeds from Japan. Apparently sent specimens to Gustave Bonnet in Lyon, and Gaston Allard in Angers.
Gaston Allard — Angers, France. Creator of the Arboretum de la Maulévrie.
Gustave Bonnet — Créateur, à Lyon, du grand Parc de la Tète-d'Or.
James Lloyd — English botanist in Nantes, France. Received from Allard; distributed specimens widely.
Jean Sisley — Lyon, France. Received a plant from Bonnet; distributed specimens widely.
Élie-Abel Carrière — Botanist, Paris
Pierre Alfred Déséglise — French botanist, moved to Geneva in 1874
T. W. Girdlestone — English horticulturist. Received small plant from Sisley. Shared in his country.
A. Caille, Chief-gardener, Botanic Garden at Bordeaux, wrote (1879) that the garden received seeds from Japan of this species in 1873.
The myth of Polyantha alba plena sarmentosa as a Japanese import might be traceable to Gérôme, Etude botanico-horticole sur le genre Rosie (1901).
I haven't been able to find a copy online, but he regarded Rosa polyantha as the result of a cross between R. multiflora Thunberg and a variety of R. indica. Obviously a hybrid.
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#1 of 3 posted
13 SEP 20 by
 jedmar
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'Polyantha alba plena sarmentosa' may be even earlier than Gérome. Nietner describes and pictures a white double climber 'Polyantha' in 1880.
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#2 of 3 posted
13 SEP 20 by
CybeRose
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p. 77
Polyantha ist endlich eine jedenfalls auch hierher gehörige Rose mit einer Unmenge in lockeren, grossen Blüthentrauben beisammen sitzenden Blumen, deren jede klein, dicht gefüllt, einer Ranunkel ähnlich ist; Knospe bis zum völligen Aufblühen roth, Blumen weiss, später in chamois übergehend, die schönste, uns bekannteste Rankrose; scheint ein ziemlich harter Bastard zu sein. In verschiedenen Rosenverzeichnissen is Polyantha die Bezeichnung einer ganzen Unterabtheilung hierher gehöriger Rosen.
Finally, Polyantha is a rose that belongs here, too, with a vast number of flowers sitting together in loose, large clusters of flowers, each of which is small, densely filled, like a ranunculus; Buds red until they have fully bloomed, flowers white, later changing to chamois, the most beautiful climbing rose we know best; seems like a pretty tough bastard. In various lists of roses, Polyantha is the name of a whole subdivision of roses belonging here.
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#3 of 3 posted
14 SEP 20 by
jedmar
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Bastard here in the meaning of "cross"
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Willmott's reference (The Genus Rosa) to "Flukenet" should be "Plukenet".
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#1 of 2 posted
8 AUG 20 by
jedmar
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Thank you, corrected!
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#2 of 2 posted
21 AUG 20 by
CybeRose
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The only Plukenet book I can find for 1700 is the Almagesti botanici mantissa. Rosa sylvestris Cheusanica etc. is not listed there. The earliest mention of this species for Plukenet is in Amaltheum Botanicum, 1705.
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26 MAY 20 by
AGBTG
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Haven't noticed it posted here, but the wild bushes just before they bloom have a smell of their own. I'm guessing it's the slight moss on the unopened blossoms. A fresh pleasant scent, it took me a while to realize it was coming from those plagues of the pasture.
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Surely this rose grows bigger that 3 metres?
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2 JUN 19 by
jedmar
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3 to 5 m is more correct
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