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'R. primula' rose Reviews & Comments
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5 MAR 21 by
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Available from - Hortico
https://wholesale.hortico.com/catalog
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This appears to be available from several Australian nurseries, but it seems as if nobody grows it here. Do any HMF members know of examples being grown in Australian gardens?
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I believe Ross Roses imported R. primula in 1959 from Sunningdale Nurseries in the U.K.
It probably didn't get around very much as the 1982 reference says it was difficult to propagate.
But I did find that it was growing in Renmark (1979 ref ), Tasmania (1984 ref) and Victoria (2007 ref).
Because of its fragrance, it really does sound as though it is a rose we should all buy - if we can find it.
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Well the nurseries listing says that Kurinda, Mistydowns and Thomas for Roses all have it. The scent does sound intriguing, and I'm always a sucker for a good scent (roses or anything else). The amount of rainfall up here might torture the poor thing, which is why I was curious about where it will grow healthily.
Edit: Incidentally, T4R's PDF catalogue says theirs is a primula/pimpinellifolia hybrid.
"Primula -Pimpinellifolia hybrid - single buttercup yellow flowers, very fragrant. also known as Incense rose."
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A Heritage Roses member in SE SA had R primula doing well for some years (ex Thomas for Roses), but lost it to a combination of drought, alkaline bore water and wallabies.
I see it's listed as growing at Werribee.
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Interesting. If it can survive Melbourne's weather, it should be able to survive almost anything.
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#5 of 15 posted
21 JAN 21 by
Damo
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"Do any HMF members know of examples being grown in Australian gardens?".
I have it! I bought my plant from T for R a few years ago now and although it looks a lot like R. primula (in photos I have looked at) I do believe it is a hybrid as mentioned above. I do not detect any fragrance from its foliage but it's very beautiful so it stays.
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If the foliage doesn't have any fragrance I wouldn't bother with it myself. An "incense rose" sans incense seems pointless to me.
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The 1984 reference says R. primula was in Tasmania.
Damo - If you look at Tessie’s photo of R. primula (in which she says the foliage is fragrant) you will see the leaflets occur alternately up the midrib. In your photo the leaflets occur opposite each other on the midrib. I suspect you may have Canary Bird - see my photo in R. hugonis of a comparison between my now dead Canary Bird and R. hugonis.
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Which "Canary Bird"? HMF has three listed.
ETA: For some reason the name reminds me of Nixon saying "poodle dog". I have a thing about redundant tautology.
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#9 of 15 posted
21 JAN 21 by
 Plazbo
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I was thinking similar to Margaret. Same error seems to occur often in the USA and Europe with people receiving the diploid yellows almost interchangeably.
The Canary Bird she's referring to would be the xanthina/hugonis hybrid (pollen parent of Golden Cheronese).
Question that remains from this is whether Thomas For Roses made a mistake or whether their primula is a mislabel.
Either way, I put in a seed order at B & T World Seeds....will see what comes from what they're selling as R. primula seed. Should be pretty easy to tell if the seedlings show signs of foliage fragrance or not.
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Are there any problems with directly importing seeds? I mean costs and delays related to biosecurity.
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#11 of 15 posted
21 JAN 21 by
Plazbo
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In NSW, not really. WA is more strict with phyto certs. Think TAS too, unsure about other states.
Just needs (the species) to be on the BICON allowed seed import list and from a vaguely commercial source. This will be my first time ordering from B & T though so who knows what happens there.
Worst case scenario is it gets returned to sender for X reason and you get a letter from quarantine people about the seed wasn't allowed in for X...I haven't had that happen since silverhill with a babiana that wasn't on the bicon list. I usually have seed coming in from europe/africa/north america a few times a year, no extra costs or drama, usually goes through quarantine/customs/whatever in a few days to a week at most.
Live plant material is where costs and time and the process being complicated comes in.
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#12 of 15 posted
22 JAN 21 by
Damo
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You might well be right there Patricia. It's a rose I have wondered about since it arrived tbh but it fits the primula/ pimp hybrid statement in appearance (to me anyway) so I always thought it a possibility.
It certainly wouldn't be the first mislabel I got from that nursery.
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No nursery is without sin.
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WHENEVER i type a nursery’s name such as Joe Bloggs & Son Ltd, my keyboard (not me - ha ha) always produces it as Joe Bloggs & Sin Ltd. It probably knows more than I.
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#15 of 15 posted
22 JAN 21 by
Damo
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"No nursery is without sin"....agreed, but some are/ were way worse than others (in my experience)!
FWIW I only mentioned the mislabel issue because it was already brought up & I had real problems with regards to this from T for R (I will add that they were usually very quick to sort any issues out). There is a chance I just got sent a wrong rose & they do/did actually have R. primula.
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Ross Roses also have 'Rosa primula' listed as being "In Collection" (see their complete web variety PDF, page 11). I assume they would graft it to order. I have emailed them to ask for clarification on this point.
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Perhaps a nudge for their most junior office person to update their list of roses on HelpMeFind might be helpful - it really is that simple.
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My current suspicion is that ones marked as "In Collection" are cultivars they have limited available material for, so they can't fill many (or possibly any) orders for them. I'll post their reply once I get it. :)
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#3 of 3 posted
21 JAN 21 by
Plazbo
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I think they lost it. Was talking with Andrew yesterday (day before?) and he's hoping to re-acquire primula from Thomas For Roses in Feb when he's heading over to Mt Lofty (primula isn't at Mt Lofty) to acquire a few things.
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New to my garden this year and smelling already. Spicy like a moss rose but hotter and less sweet, like allspice.
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