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'HARsherry' rose Reviews & Comments
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Beautiful rose with a wonderful scent, and the color and form is awesome. The only downfall of this rose is that the blooms blow incredibly fast! In fact faster than any other rose I’ve ever had. I’ve haven’t even had it for a year yet though, so hopefully the frequency of the blooms will make up for that. Time will tell.
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This is the best rose I have ever disliked. It is very floriferous, smells beautiful, has big blooms and is (by far) the most vigorous of all my roses. Heaps of basal breaks, and very little disease. Sadly the colour for me is quite dreadful - it starts out passable, looking like a gaudy second-rate "Peace'; but the flowers fade very fast so that the red edges become a blotchy pale tint of cerise and the yellow a washed out muddy cream. The overall appearance of the flowers is quite dull and too similar in hue to the new growth (bronzy green) so they get lost and look messy; and they clash a bit with the mature leaves (dark olive green). Some of the flowers pictured here look much brighter and cleaner than mine and make me envious. I wonder whether it is just my soil? At any rate, I am giving it away. It is far to good a rose in every other respect for me to feel good about destroying it, but it continually tries to make me feel bad - flowers its heart out, trying desperately to make me happy! Can't keep a plant which makes me feel this conflicted!
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20 NOV 18 by
Jay-Jay
Thank You Zingiber. Maybe more people should tell or show, how a rose can look disappointing too, like You did. I showed that for Pierre de Ronsard, or Eden in my last photos: http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.4791.3&tab=36
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#2 of 2 posted
1 DEC 18 by
Zingiber
I should mention that I garden on the East Coast of New Zealand, where the summers are hot, dry, and windy. We have had an exceptionally cloudy and wet spring this year, and the second flush just blooming on my SP is much better than any I have seen yet - the yellow is clearer, and the pink is restricted to the petal edges. I think the blotchy dull pink look SP gets must be a reaction to high UV, maybe similar to the way Double Delight turns red when exposed to sun. The plant itself sailed through our last summer (the hottest and driest on record) without any irrigation, so the heat tolerance of the bush is fine.
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Sheila's Perfume has been performing much better than expected in an extended period of 110+ temperatures in southern Z8, no-spray. Still blooming with daily watering, very nice fragrance.
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Thanks for the info, LL! I heard mixed reviews of how this one does in the heat, good to know it’s doing well for you in a similar climate to mine.
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5 MAY 16 by
Mikeb
What is Sheila's Perfume official Zone?
Here, on HMF its defined as Zone 6b. On other websites it is Zone 5. Can someone reveal the real Zone?
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5 MAY 16 by
Jay-Jay
My experience with this rose would also say 6b. Normal winters in my 6b climate it survives without freeze-back. But in a bit harsher winter, she almost didn't survive and froze back to ground level.
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#2 of 9 posted
6 MAY 16 by
Mikeb
Thank you Jay, It is a wonderful rose with so many qualities, but last time it died in my Hudson Valley garden (Zone 6). Its hard to know precisely the reason, but I suspect the winter cold. I considered giving Sheila's another chance, but if its designed for warmer climates, I will not repeat it. Different websites provide conflicting information about the "official" zone.
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6 MAY 16 by
Jay-Jay
(Too) late gifts of Nitrogen-rich fertilizers can cause freeze-back too. Over here in June/first half of July is the last gift of fertilizer, with extra Potassium to let the canes and hips ripen.
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Sheila's perfume is pictured by Digger (Dave & Deb Boyd) in zone 5a as GRAFTED on Dr. Huey. However, someone with Sheila's Perfume as own-root reported it didn't survive zone 5b winter.
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The ratings show that she doesn't like heat that much either. Does anybody grow this one in heat?
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Sheila's perfume has glossy & dark-green foliage and vigorous in alkaline clay for California folks, even in 90s and 100s temp.. It did well for Dave & Deb Boyd in zone 5a with only 12" of rain & alkaline soil. KBW in Pakistan grows it in his high-heat climate (up to 113 F).
Heat and sun is not the issue, but a higher pH moisture-retentive clay high in magnesium is best for glossy & dark-green foliage. Roses like Sheila's perfume do well for dry & hot California climate, but will blackspot in regions with more acidic rain. Sheila's perfume is VERY THORNY. My experience with thorny roses (such as Rugosa) is they can handle drought but need well-drained soil.
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Thanks Straw! It doesn't sound like this one would be happy with my soil.
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Lavender: Sheila's perfume is a vigorous rose, it might work for your hot & dry climate. To be healthy, there are 2 criteria: 1) Vigorous & big root-system, like those that get 6 feet tall .. Lagerfeld and Sheila's perfume are in this category.
2) Roots produce less acid, so leaves don't become acidic, to prevent fungal infection (mildew, rust, and blackspot) in wet weather. The problem with roots producing less acid? Roots can't feed itself, roots can't break down the hard-mineral in soil, so the rose can't produce bloom via acid-phosphatase (the secretion of acid to utilize phosphorus in soil). The solution is to douse the roots in SOLUBLE fertilizer, which needs to be done constantly in sandy/loamy ... that leaches out quickly.
But Sheila's Perfume is black-spot prone, means roots produce plenty of acid and blooms easily, thus IS NOT A PROBLEM FOR HOT & DRY CLIMATE, or alkaline clay like mine.
With own-roots, there are 2 ways to avoid disappointment: 1) If it's vigorous enough to have deep root to withstand drought, heat, and cold 2) if it's bred in the same soil and climate as the grower. Dr.Huey-rootstock was bred in California solves that problem, but with own-roots, it's much harder to find roses which were bred in similar soil and climate.
For own-roots, it's safer to go by whoever with SAME soil and climate's experience, rather than by the look alone. For that reason, I canceled pretty Louis Clements, and asked RU nursery for Sheila's perfume or Sutter's Gold. Louis Clements (bred in rainy & cool Oregon) died on a few California folks, but Sheila's perfume and Sutter's Gold can hand hot & dry. My summer is hotter than my 3 sisters in California, and Louis Clements most likely die in my summer heat, and in my extreme cold winter -20 F below zero. It's interesting that KBW from hot Pakistan (up to 113 F) and I have the same favorite roses ... roses that can survive extreme hot & dry have a better chance of surviving extreme cold winter.
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Excellent tips, thank you!
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