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'Souvenir de Thérèse Levet' rose Reviews & Comments
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This season this rose produced one ripe hip which contained one normal-looking seed. I've only ever seen one other hip on this rose before and that was years ago. Generally, it simply doesn't produce any hips.
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All three of the early American catalogue illustrations of 'Souvenir de Thérèse Levet' posted here appear to be copies of the 1883 colour plate of the red tea rose 'André Schwartz'. The two black and white engravings appear to be almost identical copies of 'André Schwartz', and the colour illustration is a looser copy but still similar enough to say that the artist has used the 'André Schwartz' plate as a model.
So currently it seems that no truly authentic illustrations of 'Souvenir de Thérèse Levet' have come to light.
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#1 of 8 posted
3 NOV 19 by
 jedmar
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Good catch! a respective note has been added to the three pictures.
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#2 of 8 posted
3 NOV 19 by
HubertG
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#3 of 8 posted
6 NOV 19 by
CybeRose
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The Hill & Co catalog (1889) describes Therese:
"The bloom bears a considerable resemblance to Catherine Mermet in form; each petal shows at the center of its margin a decided point, which gives the flower a clear-cut appearance. "
This is not at all like the 'Souv. de Therese Levet' growing at the San Jose Heritage.
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#4 of 8 posted
6 NOV 19 by
HubertG
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Also in the Ketten Bros reference is "coupe pointu", presumably referring to the same feature. There are many early references which don't really match the Australian 'Souvenir de Thérèse Levet'. Does the San Jose plant seem to be the same as the Australian SdTL, CybeRose?
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#5 of 8 posted
7 NOV 19 by
CybeRose
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Hubert,
Yes, much the same. I uploaded a picture so you can see for yourself.
Karl
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#6 of 8 posted
7 NOV 19 by
HubertG
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Thanks, yes, that does look the same as what I grow as 'Souvenir de Thérèse Levet'.
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Hmmmm. Does coupe pointu mean an indentation or a sticking-out point (mucronate), as in Wedding Day?
The photos sent by Leonie K (under "Kombacy Elyena" ) don't show the latter.
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#8 of 8 posted
7 NOV 19 by
HubertG
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A quick check of the abbreviation explanations on page XX of the 1912 Ketten Freres catalogue shows 'c' = "Coupe, variété se prêtant bien pour la fleur coupée." or 'Cut. Variety well suited for cut flowers'
So I guess it isn't "coupe pointu" or 'cut pointed', but 'suitable for cutting' and 'pointed' (whatever that might mean).
Leonie has proved her "Joanne" is certainly suitable for cutting. ;-) It is beautiful.
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From:
Les Plus belles roses au début du XXe siècle 1912
http://w.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=66.64&tab=1
As usual I have added the original text, the decoded one and approx. translation:
Souvenir de Thérèse Levet (Level père 1886)
Adam x ?
Page 75
Rouge cramoisi noirâtre. — fl. gr. pl. imb. odor.; vig. moy.
Rouge cramoisi noirâtre. — FLEUR GRANDE PLEINE IMBRIQUÉ ODOR.; VIGUEUR MOYEN
Red blackish crimson – Flower, big, full, interlocked/overlapped, fragrant, medium vigor.
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#2 of 3 posted
26 JUN 18 by
HubertG
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From the 'Rosen-Zeitung' 1900, page 51:
"Einige schöne Rosen für das freie Land.
... 3) Souv. de Thérèse Levet, Th. (Levet 83). Hochrot, eine der dunkelsten Theerosen, sehr duftend und sehr gefüllt. Sie hat den grossen Vorzug, dass sich die Blüte in der Farbe und Form sowohl am Strauch als auch abgeschnitten, so lange unverändert und frisch erhält, wie ich es bei keiner andern Rose beobachtet habe. Sie bedarf aber starken Winterschutzes und ist nicht sehr reichblühend; auch öffnen sich die Blüten bei regnerischem Wetter nicht leicht."
My translation:
Some Beautiful Roses for Open Ground.
... 3) Souv. de Thérèse Levet, Tea (Levet 83). Bright red, one of the darkest Tea Roses, very fragrant and very full. It has the great advantage of the flower, either on the bush or cut, remaining unchanged and fresh for so long, such as I have observed with no other rose. However, it requires heavy winter protection and is not very free-flowering; also the blooms don't open easily in rainy weather.
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Thanks HubertG. Reference added.
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Does anyone have doubts about the Souvenir de Therese Levet (sold in Australia) as being the authentic item?
I grew it for a few years and always wondered if it was correct:
- it doesn't set hips. I found one hip once with no seeds. It always seemed strange that it could be the seed parent of General Gallieni when it seemed infertile.
- the base of the petals showed white and never yellow like in some descriptions.
- the red colour of General Gallieni would have derived from SdTL, but they are quite different reds, SdTL was rather pinky crimson.
- there were some characteristics of it that suggested some Hybrid Tea breeding - it never seemed a classic Tea to me.
- It was one of the more popular teas that survived into the 20thC, eg. in the Hazlewood nurseries, and I always wondered what would have been so appealing about the SdTL that I grew. It was a nice enough rose, but I couldn't see why it would have been so much more enduring than many other teas that disappeared by then.
Just bouncing this idea around.
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I think a lot of people consider it closer to HT than Tea (I hoicked mine), but it stays listed as Tea because there are so few deeper red ones now on the market.
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#2 of 3 posted
23 MAR 18 by
HubertG
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The earliest photographs here by Luanne Wilson and Casa de Rosas look like a different variety to what SdTL is in Australia.
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The buds would pass for the same. Maybe it's wrong all round the world.
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